Message from @olev

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2017-11-26 07:14:45 UTC  

Marxism: economic/political theory of capitalism and class conflict

2017-11-26 07:14:57 UTC  

Also technically a philosophy

2017-11-26 07:16:20 UTC  

ok well the government has to be involved in order to keep this kind of society from collapsing on itself

2017-11-26 07:16:33 UTC  

do you agree that government involvement is necessary for this

2017-11-26 07:16:48 UTC  

How would it collapse

2017-11-26 07:17:42 UTC  

without government intervention people would not be coordinated

2017-11-26 07:17:57 UTC  

they would end up defaulting back to a capitalist system

2017-11-26 07:18:18 UTC  

capitalist systems are inevitable in societies with no government intervention

2017-11-26 07:18:24 UTC  

they just form

2017-11-26 07:18:28 UTC  

human nature

2017-11-26 07:18:36 UTC  

muh human nature

2017-11-26 07:18:44 UTC  

thats what it is

2017-11-26 07:18:48 UTC  

its not just some talking point

2017-11-26 07:19:03 UTC  

your vision of communism must have government intervention to work

2017-11-26 07:19:06 UTC  

Human nature isn't static, it changes based upon the structure of society

2017-11-26 07:19:10 UTC  

Both on a macro and micro scale

2017-11-26 07:19:32 UTC  

2000 years ago polygamy would be "human nature"

2017-11-26 07:19:42 UTC  

"your vision of communism"

2017-11-26 07:19:54 UTC  

You're constantly saying retarded shit and you're proving that you're uneducated

2017-11-26 07:20:22 UTC  

when i say "you're" I'm obviously talking about the entire ideology

2017-11-26 07:20:41 UTC  

There are no individual/unique visions of communism

2017-11-26 07:21:17 UTC  

human nature, if left alone and without government intervention, tends to default to the "survivalist" attitude, choosing what's best for the individual over the community

2017-11-26 07:21:27 UTC  

this can be seen all over the world

2017-11-26 07:21:27 UTC  

The difference lies with the means, not the ends

2017-11-26 07:21:46 UTC  

I just explained human nature

2017-11-26 07:21:57 UTC  

but do you have evidence to support it

2017-11-26 07:22:02 UTC  

have there been studies

2017-11-26 07:22:05 UTC  

There isn't a specific code of behavior in our DNA

2017-11-26 07:22:06 UTC  

whats the proof

2017-11-26 07:22:25 UTC  

What's the proof that greed is inherent and not influenced by the structure of society

2017-11-26 07:23:01 UTC  

there is behavior encoded into our dna from birth

2017-11-26 07:23:07 UTC  

such as survival instincts

2017-11-26 07:23:26 UTC  

Breathing, eating, and taking a shit

2017-11-26 07:23:31 UTC  

studies have shown that people tend to share personality traits with their parents

2017-11-26 07:23:39 UTC  

even if they are separated

2017-11-26 07:24:07 UTC  

Can you give me proof that humans are greedy from birth

2017-11-26 07:24:30 UTC  

That they are motivated by monetary incentive from birth

2017-11-26 07:24:46 UTC  

here's an example

2017-11-26 07:24:59 UTC  

if you were offered 1 cookie or 2 which would you take

2017-11-26 07:25:24 UTC  

I want real data

2017-11-26 07:25:26 UTC  

actual evidence