people like you are fucking at the helm

please go on

cant have any actual conversation and stay within your echo chambers

thats it

answer my questions

please

>echo chamber

If I saty in echochambers why am I talking with you

I'm literally a moderator on a political group that is full of anti-communists

I talk with them all the time

let me ask you this again

would you go up to bill gates or anyone who has invented things for that matter and tell them that what they have created was a product of inherant personal greed?

When did I claim people are only motivated by money

>capitalism is founded on greed

This goes against what I was saying

Yeah but people aren't only motivated by greed in capitalism

Primarily yes

what other things are they motivated by

I never said capitalism is founded on greed either

You're making up shit once again

Passion, curiosity, self-actualization, cure of boredom

alright, why should i believe that communism retains all those elements of human greatness

What are you fucking talking about

This is why off the point

because it seems to me that communism is against all that

Originally you said communism is impossible because humans are inherently motivated by money

i didnt say they are motivated by money

i said human nature and the way we act contradicts communist ideology

there are consumers and there are producers

naturally there are two types of people

communism forces everyone to be consumers and all the producing is left to the management of the state

in my view this takes away peoples freedoms

There is no state in communism you fucktard

200 thousand years people shared everything between each other living in tribes.

Go read something, I'm too tired to fucking educate you on all of this

I'll give you the pages

Do we disregard it as not a "human nature"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_mode_of_production

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_society

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism

@Desty Are you a gommie

ill read these

And here's a book that goes into why the USSR failed as a planned economy

http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/socialism_book/new_socialism.pdf

@olev yes

Are you an anarchist/leftcom/ML ect

ML

Gay

you gay

I wouldn't want to stick myself to an outdated sect because the conditions of 100 years ago are different from now

But I'm somewhat trotskyist

https://theredphoenixapl.org/2017/10/30/why-marxism-leninism-in-the-21st-century-united-states/

No thanks

I'm not interested in reading any tankie shit

Knowledge is good for you.

Tankies are fucking gay

I hate them

They're autistic

can you explain to me the tendency of profits to fall

im a bit confused about it gimme a short summary

It's like 2:46 AM just look it up

I haven't really read marx

alright

And if you're actually interested in reading shit

don't read the manifesto

This is a summary of the manifesto basically

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

@Brickiest Brick https://theredphoenixapl.org/2011/06/02/the-human-nature-argument/

yeah im all for reading more about this

ill definately go more into it and understand it better

I just wish sometimes that instead of sticking to one ideology as a gospel, anyone or all of you instead just looked at the issues and looked for the proper solution, no matter wether or not it fit what you already believe.

Pragmatism has it's issues too, but there's something off ot be said for accomplishing the little things and building off of that rather then making things perfect.

Especially since there isn't one set of things that make up the human condition for everyone (as per that post about human nature.), I doubt you can make it fit everyone all at once. *However.*

You could make a minimum size system to help facilitate all those people helping themselves with thier possibly unique problems (or not so unique.), and then your not so worried about all that, the government isn't solving everyone's problems it can't possibly solve anyway.

@Chillin Chum#3607 Most current problems of society are derived from class conflict

>Tankies are fucking gay, I hate them, They're autistic

>is a trot

@olev no they aren't, that's just a symptoms . You can either believe in the current idealogical meta, or you could decide your fed up with everyone's crap and move up a level.
But to give that idea credit anyway, if it's class, it's based off of that enough people prefer to be on top, they are afraid that they won't have enough, or that they don't feel satisfied otherwise, or that they are afraid of work.

If we all were able to learn to, and find the work we love, a lot of troubles would be lessened.

But go ahead and disagree with me, go ahead and stay in your idea foxhole and see where it gets you.

Never thinking anything is your own fault.

Blaming everyone else, and so nothing changes.

hello

le enlightened centrist

@Chillin Chum Should we do the jobs we are best at? Or the jobs we like more?

Your not gonna work as hard as you can if you dont like your job

Silly

@Deleted User moot point. Don't chase your passion. Find that job that works well and work on the tolerance part after.

I was afraid of never finding work that suited me, and it took me years, but I found it this past year. I shouldn't have ever been afraid.

Great, I agree with you, millenials have proven that if you chase your dreams recklessly you end up fucking yourself.

Fear is something that holds people back, and ends up causing people to make terrible decisions.

who's this

why is she bruised

She used to be a European nationalist but after antifa members beat her ass she has changed her ways.

hmm

go antifa ig

>antifa acting like niggers
Not suprised

Thank God that communism is banned in South gookland

@󠂪󠂪 󠂪󠂪 For some reason I doubt this.