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eventually leads to larger organisations
But that in itself if hard due to political apathy
@Dirty Red how does it lead to larger organizations?
1. People see the bullshit the bourgeoisie do
2. Said people feel outraged
3. People then seek to fight the upper class
4. They organise
What if said people are fucked by the capitalists after the rage? Like in Ukraine.
Like in Egypt.
Like in Lybia
Rage at the capitalists will eventually be bad for the capitalists no?
This is assuming that the rage is appropriately directed toward them
@Dirty Red Not sure. Oligarchy rules Ukraine now openly.
I guess same logic applies
1. People see the bullshit the oligarchs do
2. Said people feel outraged
Etc
No, when they feel outraged they vote Trump
or Putin
Interesting
If they really had class consciousness they would see putin or trump are the oligarchs
thus see them as dickheads
But they don't.
Without organization they won't.
Without the Party.
So then it seems dialectics has one it's job.
Class consciousness and organization must both happen
One doesn't directly lead to the other
or that the outcome would benefit the people
Organization directly lead to the class consciousness.
Not nessecarily
A nazi org for instance leads to assholes fighting everyone else
An uneducated org leads to it being hijacked
@Dirty Red the communist organization.
A communist organization specifically, needs some form of class consciousness to be able to form in the first place
@Dirty Red Individual consciousness is not class consciousnesses.
Individual consciousness
What is meant by this?
@Dirty Red I'm petite-burger.
@Dirty Red I don't belong to the class.