Human greed prevents it

The reason why it happens in bourgeois societies, however, happens due to bourgeois causes. Careerism, individualism, competitiveness, egoism, hedonism, commercialism - driven by bourgeois ideology, the multibillion advertisement industry, media etc. etc. is the origin of your troubles.

So human greed basically.

there's definitely no hedonism, or the worship of individual liberty(in theory) in Socialist countries.. right..

Human nature exists. Doesn't matter which part of society is in charge. The societal structures in place are what determine the health of the family

Human greed is why communism doesn't work

Individual Liberty isn't your motive mate? and Feminists in Socialist Countries wouldn't shame women for not working and pursuing careers for Equality? you are speaking some bullshit right there @Xinyue

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Communism needs to be redesigned

Soviet Union spent annually about 1 billion USD on propagation of its views;
Saudi Arabia spent about 2-3 billion USD on propagation of its views in 2017;
The global advertisement industry is worth about 493 billion USD annually, and in US alone about 166 billion USD.

And yet, *yours* is the free world? Now this is lunacy if I ever saw the face of it.

Man is not a tabula rasa, he cannot be moulded like clay into a good communist worker drone

The US just has more money to spend

i won't say West is the Free World

The USSR had the economy of Saudi Arabia

i don't even know what a Free World is

The USSR was a joke

Capitalism is fucked, and it has fucked up the societies of the world. It will be either transcended, or it transcends the societies its fucked over.

>amount of money spent on propaganda is indicative of freedom of society

Capitalism brought technology

Innovation

Healthcare

But k

Liberal Democracies are fucked because they allow themselves to be subverted by Jewish PoMo Marxists

> muh gabidalism issss only innovative ideelooogy

Capitalism created a country like South Korea

list of Soviet contributions to technology

Japan

Even China

China is doing so great

South Korea is utterly fucked

Due to capitalism.

What a small list

Why is South Korea fucked?

Cuba is literally driving 60s Cars

where's the Cuban Ferrari?

@campodin list made by me in about 10 mins

Castro was a CIA spook

The Russian nation was innovative

Had nothing to do with the USSR

not an ideologue capitalist, but capitalism definitely is far more innovative

various company models are far more innovative than CoOps

it includes things like the first space vehicle, first space rocket, first ICBM, first space station, first satellite, etc. Beyond there, the first probe to Moon, the first space rover, the first space walk, the first probe to Mars, the first probe to land on Venus, the first deep space communications, the first this the first that. The Soviets were consistently beating capitalists when it came to truly frontier technology

You mean the Russians

nope

Soviets

Technology is gay

considering that the leading figures in the Soviet space program came from all kinds of places - Ukraine, Russia, Belaurs, Kazakhstan, etc.

The Russians were innovative but not because they adhered to some ideology

Well people were innovative

Nothing to do with what brainwash they were receiving

Capitalism isn't an ideology btw

```considering that the leading figures in the Soviet space program came from all kinds of places - Ukraine, Russia, Belaurs, Kazakhstan, etc.```

ethnic Europeans all of them

this is another thing that frankly unintelligent right-wingers do all the time; they reduce Soviet Union, a federation of peoples, to Russia. I understand that not everyone is created equal when it comes to intelligence but by god do try to lift will you

Capitalism is not an ideology

Boom

technically, neither is socialism. However, in its social manifestation, it is comprehended through ideology and backed up by ideology

Ugh

The USSR wasn’t “Russia”, it was an artificial structure placed upon Russia and other nations by western bankers

When will communists take over the world

Lenin was a western banker confirmed

that is also a thing i think, Peoples of Europe can somewhat work out a Social Democracy or Democratic Socialism due to many factors including them being of higher iq, being more innovative in general, and having Homogenous Societies

Trotsky was a western banker confirmed

Stalin was a western banker confirmed

Bukharin was a western banker confirmed

Zioniev was a western banker confirmed

Wut

Socialism in a country like India or Cambodia or Cuba is much more fucked up

@Nikitis if they're anything like reddit man, never

They were certainly agents of western bankers

responding to Fresh's insane talking points

Lol

Russian social democratic labour party was a western banker confirmed

wasn't Trotsky from New York?

@campodin

Transcaucasian communist party was a western banker confirmed

Ukrainian Communist Party was a western banker confirmed

genuinely unintelligent points here

The Soviet Union was just a failed social experiment

On an otherwise smart and productive population

Read *tragedy and hope*. Quigley was a supporter of the Anglo-American establishment, and he reveals all this

Socialists in Russia were at various times backed by big money interests (👃) in the West, cmoon mate can't deny that

Literally hitler

Denying the banks involvement in the USSR is antisemetic

whole lot of these revolutionary leads weren't from anywhere near the Russian Empire

its not reducible to backing, you can back any faction but that alone means nothing. U.S threw billions at Syrian rebels and it did jack shit, what matters ultimately is the conditions and motivations of people on the ground

*financially* backing

But you miss the larger point

“Why would bankers support communism”

oy vey

if the mujahiddeen weren't religious theist zealots no amount of money thrown at them would've been able to defeat the Soviet occupation, it came to the material goods + financial backing + the fact they weren't afraid of death and indeed pursued it on the field

Because it wouldn't work without capitalist money

shut this down

And it still didn't work

Which is why it collapsed

Of course socialism doesn't emerge without capitalism. This is Marxist theory 101

literally is one of the basic concepts

Then why portray capitalism as evil

Communism is not opposed to the bankers. Marx never once criticised them

```if the mujahiddeen weren't religious theist zealots no amount of money thrown at them would've been able to defeat the Soviet occupation, it came to the material goods + financial backing + the fact they weren't afraid of death and indeed pursued it on the field```


that is true, there was corruption on the ground in Russia, that's why what happened to them happened, they weren't just victims.. solzhenitsyn wrote extensively about it..
but you're distracting from the point..

because something can outstay its welcome and actually become monstrous as time goes on. As happened with capitalism, as happened with feudalism etc. All of these emerged due to a distinct epoch of conditions being present, and each was done away with the moment they became superfluous.

We're all in the pre-communist phase according to not gay reddit

well yes,

we aren't communism yet

because

well

```Of course socialism doesn't emerge without capitalism. This is Marxist theory 101```

nah, but they were backed by *certain* capitalists, is that Marxist Theory too? 🤔

the revolution was defeated after 80 years

that is not Marxist theory, but it is consistent with it in the sense that Marx acknowledged that the bourgeoisie isn't united and is mutually competitive, which was something that can be exploited

The revolution funded by the bourgeouis which makes no sense

Your points are really weak

It just doesn't add up to Marxist theory

no u

Nothing in marxist theory says that you can't do this. As Marx said:

```Capitalist makes and sells the rope which the proletarian uses to hang him```

Workers of the world unite!!!

Kill cappy

There's no need for killing, and that passage speaks of the passing of one epoch and the emergence of another from the products of the earlier one

What will happen to the capitalist

What will he have to do with his job

```
Capitalist makes and sells the rope which the proletarian uses to hang him```

this is why Marxists are idiots, they think they're the ones using big money interests 😂

The capitalists will become socialist workers like everyone else, in the optimal case.

No bloodshed

the state will be needed in this effort, though, of this there is no doubt

which can prove challenging

Cannibal Island comes to mind

oh yeah, i worked on my house for 30 years . here take it, give me an apartment in an ugly commie building

Lmaooo

@AdorableStormtrooper its not like Marxists by rule do this. Finnish Revolution, for example, had no financial backing

the unsung heroes of the Socialist Workers' Republic of Finland though failed in their objective, and their fates were sealed ultimately from the very beginning. A sad story really. Very regretful that it must end that way.

Most of the time, especially now, Marxists are used by the elite as useful dummies.. I'm commenting on that

you guys think you're the smart ones fighting the good fight

like ANTIFA

and all the Academics

but..

Antifa aren't Marxists, I think they are mostly anarchists and then some non-radleft centre-leftists, a mismatch bunch. But most Marxists I think consider the organisation inept

i thought communism is supposed to be anarchic

Their are lot of commies among their ranks

what is this

it's AnCom organization

btw

btw

*btw*

I noticed that mask

that is used my many ancoms

but that hammer and sickle,

is the Stalinist one 😄

but he was a commie

It's all the same to me

I just think its funny that the ancoms would use Stalinist symbolism

lmao

kinda defeats the purpose

commie jokes

>expecting AnComs to know history

```It's all the same to me```
- le intellectuel

The symbol is associated with communism in general now

>expecting ideologues to know history

best argument

Unfortunately yeah. The hammer and sickle though was invented by the Soviets, I resent that it has spread outside the realm of 20th century Soviet-derived Marxism

also protesting is fundamentally dumb

achieves nothing

wah

this guy

if commies were like this i wouldn't advocate right wing death squads

wait

i must've gone wrong at some point if that's the takeaway 😄

It's not protesting it's the revolution taking place

....but that's literally not revolution

that's protesting

that's just liberalism

Ssshhh

Don't ruin it for the kids

Eh at most it's a few trashed buildings and flipped trashcans

Umm, how is that liberalism?

protesting has a cultural and psychological impact, it can be effectively used if you can gather enough people to make a financial impact through media coverage

They got guns doe

protesting without media coverage can be useless tho, this is why being in control of media is crucial

Ah so are they starting up the Marxist Rifle Association?

If only they could shoot straight

Black blocs have been around for a long time

this is what revolution looks like

oh yeah the Chinese Communists who ended "Old Beliefs and Habits" in China

Looks cozy

by destroying temples, museums, schools n all

i guess that isn't real Marxism either

that you think that a bunch of larpers congregating and chanting "death to capitalism" on the downtown square qualifies as "revolution", means you haven't seen a revolution

Wow

I thought you were a real commie

Where is your solidarity

he's a real commie

@AdorableStormtrooper Maoists were communists, but their praxis was very wrong

he's just outdated

We should remove outdated elements

when it comes to revolution though, the combat phase of it, they were excellent

😂

You're right.
Meat shields are an excellent strategy

Marx, Engels and Lenin were all very clear though; any new society will reproduce the flaws of the society from which they emerged. Old aspects will be retained, but will be reproduced in a higher form. There's no "abolition of obsolete elements"

Why did the soviets invade Afghanistan

Was it out of compassion to the poor afghani workers?

Or was it to plunder in an imperialist fashion

Xinu's entire argument is, look at what we say, don't look at what we do

Communism is a belief system

Maoists weren't Leninists; they were Maoists. Different ideologies, different texts, different stances.

Nobody who ever tried to bring about communism was pure to theory, hence real communism has never been tried

checkmate atheists

From *Fundamentals:*

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never said he was a Leninist

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Have you even read engeloki?

was influenced by Marx tho

have you ever taken into consideration that maybe in practice, perfectly implementing everything marx and Engles in every single situation and place might not be possible and people have actually tried and failed?

it's only after they failed that they innovated

Free Afghanistan

That though was *not* from Marx and Engels. That was from the Fundamentals, written in the middle of implementing socialism, 1960.

End the Soviet imperialist occupation

*implementing socialism*

yes

I'm not talkinh about your post

I'm talking about your general argument/apologia

I mean obviously not everything they said will come to pass, I hinted as much when I mentioned my disagreements with Engels

even the stuff you like, might not come to pass as you like it since it isn't feasible in practice, maybe mao and Stalin know better than you cuz they have tried that shit dawg

Marx is overrated

anyone defending any system has "apologia" and blood all over him. Capitalism - defined here as societal systems of private property - has killed upwards 100 million at least, and monarchism - defined here as systems where the crown is ultimately the owner of the whole realm - sits comfortably at around 145 million dead. So if me arguing for communism and its continued relevance to pressing contemporary problems is "apologia" then all of us dabble in it

Communism is too much ideology for it to work

is my criticism of Communism ever been the Death Count?

"apologia" implied it, in my mind

my bad if wrong

Not gay reddit do you have a job?

I'm a student presently

Will you move to NK or China?

No, and why should i

Or Venezuela?

I don't see the Leftist Argument for Socialism as convincing and given its impacts on society i don't think it's sustainable.

Well idk

Venezuela could be a place to move into

They seem like countries that attract you

I heard Venezuela is doing great at the moment

I have thought of trying to organise some kind of leftist aid group, that could go there to help. Its quite honestly very telling of the left that, whereas the 60,000 leftists flocked to help the Spanish Republicans in the civil war, ***nobody has gone to help venezuela from the millennial generation***

none

its dead silence

and honestly disgusting

Venezuela isn't real Socialism so

Not real socialism

Not real communism