Message from @Xinyue
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its not reducible to backing, you can back any faction but that alone means nothing. U.S threw billions at Syrian rebels and it did jack shit, what matters ultimately is the conditions and motivations of people on the ground
*financially* backing
But you miss the larger point
“Why would bankers support communism”
oy vey
if the mujahiddeen weren't religious theist zealots no amount of money thrown at them would've been able to defeat the Soviet occupation, it came to the material goods + financial backing + the fact they weren't afraid of death and indeed pursued it on the field
Because it wouldn't work without capitalist money
shut this down
And it still didn't work
Which is why it collapsed
Of course socialism doesn't emerge without capitalism. This is Marxist theory 101
literally is one of the basic concepts
Then why portray capitalism as evil
Communism is not opposed to the bankers. Marx never once criticised them
```if the mujahiddeen weren't religious theist zealots no amount of money thrown at them would've been able to defeat the Soviet occupation, it came to the material goods + financial backing + the fact they weren't afraid of death and indeed pursued it on the field```
that is true, there was corruption on the ground in Russia, that's why what happened to them happened, they weren't just victims.. solzhenitsyn wrote extensively about it..
but you're distracting from the point..
because something can outstay its welcome and actually become monstrous as time goes on. As happened with capitalism, as happened with feudalism etc. All of these emerged due to a distinct epoch of conditions being present, and each was done away with the moment they became superfluous.
We're all in the pre-communist phase according to not gay reddit
well yes,
we aren't communism yet
because
```Of course socialism doesn't emerge without capitalism. This is Marxist theory 101```
nah, but they were backed by *certain* capitalists, is that Marxist Theory too? 🤔
the revolution was defeated after 80 years
that is not Marxist theory, but it is consistent with it in the sense that Marx acknowledged that the bourgeoisie isn't united and is mutually competitive, which was something that can be exploited
The revolution funded by the bourgeouis which makes no sense
Your points are really weak
It just doesn't add up to Marxist theory
no u
Nothing in marxist theory says that you can't do this. As Marx said:
```Capitalist makes and sells the rope which the proletarian uses to hang him```
Workers of the world unite!!!
Kill cappy
There's no need for killing, and that passage speaks of the passing of one epoch and the emergence of another from the products of the earlier one
What will happen to the capitalist
What will he have to do with his job
```
Capitalist makes and sells the rope which the proletarian uses to hang him```
this is why Marxists are idiots, they think they're the ones using big money interests 😂
The capitalists will become socialist workers like everyone else, in the optimal case.
No bloodshed
the state will be needed in this effort, though, of this there is no doubt
which can prove challenging
Cannibal Island comes to mind