@Nikitis if they're anything like reddit man, never

They were certainly agents of western bankers

responding to Fresh's insane talking points

Lol

Russian social democratic labour party was a western banker confirmed

wasn't Trotsky from New York?

@campodin

Transcaucasian communist party was a western banker confirmed

Ukrainian Communist Party was a western banker confirmed

genuinely unintelligent points here

The Soviet Union was just a failed social experiment

On an otherwise smart and productive population

Read *tragedy and hope*. Quigley was a supporter of the Anglo-American establishment, and he reveals all this

Socialists in Russia were at various times backed by big money interests (👃) in the West, cmoon mate can't deny that

Literally hitler

Denying the banks involvement in the USSR is antisemetic

whole lot of these revolutionary leads weren't from anywhere near the Russian Empire

its not reducible to backing, you can back any faction but that alone means nothing. U.S threw billions at Syrian rebels and it did jack shit, what matters ultimately is the conditions and motivations of people on the ground

*financially* backing

But you miss the larger point

“Why would bankers support communism”

oy vey

if the mujahiddeen weren't religious theist zealots no amount of money thrown at them would've been able to defeat the Soviet occupation, it came to the material goods + financial backing + the fact they weren't afraid of death and indeed pursued it on the field

Because it wouldn't work without capitalist money

shut this down

And it still didn't work

Which is why it collapsed

Of course socialism doesn't emerge without capitalism. This is Marxist theory 101

literally is one of the basic concepts

Then why portray capitalism as evil

Communism is not opposed to the bankers. Marx never once criticised them

```if the mujahiddeen weren't religious theist zealots no amount of money thrown at them would've been able to defeat the Soviet occupation, it came to the material goods + financial backing + the fact they weren't afraid of death and indeed pursued it on the field```


that is true, there was corruption on the ground in Russia, that's why what happened to them happened, they weren't just victims.. solzhenitsyn wrote extensively about it..
but you're distracting from the point..

because something can outstay its welcome and actually become monstrous as time goes on. As happened with capitalism, as happened with feudalism etc. All of these emerged due to a distinct epoch of conditions being present, and each was done away with the moment they became superfluous.

We're all in the pre-communist phase according to not gay reddit

well yes,

we aren't communism yet

because

well

```Of course socialism doesn't emerge without capitalism. This is Marxist theory 101```

nah, but they were backed by *certain* capitalists, is that Marxist Theory too? 🤔

the revolution was defeated after 80 years

that is not Marxist theory, but it is consistent with it in the sense that Marx acknowledged that the bourgeoisie isn't united and is mutually competitive, which was something that can be exploited