Message from @Takkorin The First

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2018-12-13 08:15:57 UTC  

Then why portray capitalism as evil

2018-12-13 08:16:18 UTC  

Communism is not opposed to the bankers. Marx never once criticised them

2018-12-13 08:17:09 UTC  

```if the mujahiddeen weren't religious theist zealots no amount of money thrown at them would've been able to defeat the Soviet occupation, it came to the material goods + financial backing + the fact they weren't afraid of death and indeed pursued it on the field```


that is true, there was corruption on the ground in Russia, that's why what happened to them happened, they weren't just victims.. solzhenitsyn wrote extensively about it..
but you're distracting from the point..

2018-12-13 08:17:10 UTC  

because something can outstay its welcome and actually become monstrous as time goes on. As happened with capitalism, as happened with feudalism etc. All of these emerged due to a distinct epoch of conditions being present, and each was done away with the moment they became superfluous.

2018-12-13 08:17:15 UTC  

We're all in the pre-communist phase according to not gay reddit

2018-12-13 08:17:39 UTC  

well yes,

2018-12-13 08:17:45 UTC  

we aren't communism yet

2018-12-13 08:17:48 UTC  

because

2018-12-13 08:17:48 UTC  

well

2018-12-13 08:17:53 UTC  

```Of course socialism doesn't emerge without capitalism. This is Marxist theory 101```

nah, but they were backed by *certain* capitalists, is that Marxist Theory too? 🤔

2018-12-13 08:17:53 UTC  

the revolution was defeated after 80 years

2018-12-13 08:18:27 UTC  

that is not Marxist theory, but it is consistent with it in the sense that Marx acknowledged that the bourgeoisie isn't united and is mutually competitive, which was something that can be exploited

2018-12-13 08:18:44 UTC  

The revolution funded by the bourgeouis which makes no sense

2018-12-13 08:18:59 UTC  

Your points are really weak

2018-12-13 08:19:10 UTC  

It just doesn't add up to Marxist theory

2018-12-13 08:19:10 UTC  

no u

2018-12-13 08:20:00 UTC  

Nothing in marxist theory says that you can't do this. As Marx said:

```Capitalist makes and sells the rope which the proletarian uses to hang him```

2018-12-13 08:20:26 UTC  

Workers of the world unite!!!

2018-12-13 08:20:35 UTC  

Kill cappy

2018-12-13 08:20:59 UTC  

There's no need for killing, and that passage speaks of the passing of one epoch and the emergence of another from the products of the earlier one

2018-12-13 08:21:04 UTC  

2018-12-13 08:21:29 UTC  

What will happen to the capitalist

2018-12-13 08:21:39 UTC  

What will he have to do with his job

2018-12-13 08:21:40 UTC  

```
Capitalist makes and sells the rope which the proletarian uses to hang him```

this is why Marxists are idiots, they think they're the ones using big money interests 😂

2018-12-13 08:21:57 UTC  

The capitalists will become socialist workers like everyone else, in the optimal case.

2018-12-13 08:21:59 UTC  

No bloodshed

2018-12-13 08:22:19 UTC  

the state will be needed in this effort, though, of this there is no doubt

2018-12-13 08:22:23 UTC  

which can prove challenging

2018-12-13 08:22:32 UTC  

Cannibal Island comes to mind

2018-12-13 08:22:47 UTC  

oh yeah, i worked on my house for 30 years . here take it, give me an apartment in an ugly commie building

2018-12-13 08:22:54 UTC  

Lmaooo

2018-12-13 08:23:00 UTC  

@AdorableStormtrooper its not like Marxists by rule do this. Finnish Revolution, for example, had no financial backing

2018-12-13 08:23:51 UTC  

the unsung heroes of the Socialist Workers' Republic of Finland though failed in their objective, and their fates were sealed ultimately from the very beginning. A sad story really. Very regretful that it must end that way.

2018-12-13 08:23:51 UTC  

Most of the time, especially now, Marxists are used by the elite as useful dummies.. I'm commenting on that

2018-12-13 08:24:04 UTC  

you guys think you're the smart ones fighting the good fight

2018-12-13 08:24:07 UTC  

like ANTIFA

2018-12-13 08:24:11 UTC  

and all the Academics

2018-12-13 08:24:19 UTC  

but..

2018-12-13 08:24:43 UTC  

Antifa aren't Marxists, I think they are mostly anarchists and then some non-radleft centre-leftists, a mismatch bunch. But most Marxists I think consider the organisation inept

2018-12-13 08:25:02 UTC  

i thought communism is supposed to be anarchic

2018-12-13 08:25:06 UTC  

Their are lot of commies among their ranks