I don't have a problem with Joint Family or Nuclear Family.. different structures suit different peoples

That doesn't make any sense

Family fundamentally though i believe is a good thing, and under your system, it disappears and that is celebrated... @Xinyue

The nuclear family is as old as time. The book of Genesis advocates it, and yet we’re supposed to believe it’s some recent thing

Single mothers were abundant in the Soviet union

Yes, single parenthood - whether mother or father - is the ultimate expression of alienation in parenting, the exact opposite of what socialists want, which is unalienation. The reason for why single mothers exist is multifaceted, but ultimately finds its origin in bourgeois individualism and careerism.

```If you integrate women in the labor force, liberalize divorce laws, and advocate for sexual liberation, you will see breakdown of the family. the first two at the very least were part of your beloved USSR @not gay reddit```

i can trace back the destruction of family to actual policy that's been put in place to create an unnatural environment @Xinyue

“A man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife, and they shall become one flesh”

you can make your personal arguments for the Family from a Socialist pov, that's the my point tho, my point is that that isn't how it manifests itself when applied in the real world.

Single parenthood is caused by sexual immorality through mass media

The right-wing looks at what the bourgeois society, bourgeois individualism and bourgeois economic relations have begotten, and blame communism for it. This is generally what happens. You could avoid making the mistake by differentiating between the base structure, and the superstructure, of society and understanding which one is primary and which one is emergent.

Once that realisation clicks the rest comes in by its own

Bourgeois bourgeois bourgeois

Yes, when discussing bourgeois society, the word "bourgeois" comes up a lot

can't avoid it

this would happen in both Socialist Dictatorships and Liberal Democracies

Brezhnev was bourgeois

Human greed will always set in sooner or later

the Destruction of Family motive of the current "New Left" comes from the Works of Marx and Engles tho

Communism doesn't work

Human greed prevents it

The reason why it happens in bourgeois societies, however, happens due to bourgeois causes. Careerism, individualism, competitiveness, egoism, hedonism, commercialism - driven by bourgeois ideology, the multibillion advertisement industry, media etc. etc. is the origin of your troubles.

So human greed basically.

there's definitely no hedonism, or the worship of individual liberty(in theory) in Socialist countries.. right..

Human nature exists. Doesn't matter which part of society is in charge. The societal structures in place are what determine the health of the family

Human greed is why communism doesn't work

Individual Liberty isn't your motive mate? and Feminists in Socialist Countries wouldn't shame women for not working and pursuing careers for Equality? you are speaking some bullshit right there @Xinyue

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Communism needs to be redesigned

Soviet Union spent annually about 1 billion USD on propagation of its views;
Saudi Arabia spent about 2-3 billion USD on propagation of its views in 2017;
The global advertisement industry is worth about 493 billion USD annually, and in US alone about 166 billion USD.

And yet, *yours* is the free world? Now this is lunacy if I ever saw the face of it.

Man is not a tabula rasa, he cannot be moulded like clay into a good communist worker drone

The US just has more money to spend

i won't say West is the Free World

The USSR had the economy of Saudi Arabia

i don't even know what a Free World is

The USSR was a joke

Capitalism is fucked, and it has fucked up the societies of the world. It will be either transcended, or it transcends the societies its fucked over.

>amount of money spent on propaganda is indicative of freedom of society

Capitalism brought technology

Innovation