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2020-02-22 08:41:49 UTC

>Confederation
nah mate, direct rule from Canberra

2020-02-22 08:42:13 UTC

Oof

2020-02-22 08:42:43 UTC

Emperor Bogan Bill of the Australian Empire

2020-02-22 08:42:47 UTC

ANZAC military Junta

2020-02-22 08:43:50 UTC

> @Ethreen42 Imagine caring about which retarded britfag rules it, you both make the same mistakes.

Slavoid Cope

2020-02-22 08:44:09 UTC

Actually, we shouldn't use european titles of royalty. Instead of king or emperor our leader should be called the supreme cunt

2020-02-22 08:44:38 UTC

Supreme cunt Bruce of the Australian Empire

2020-02-22 08:44:47 UTC

supreme cunt of Australia and New Zealand

Wait is this channel back? Time to enjoy bigbrain conversations. <:hypers:654439239055835158> <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898> <:smugon:512048583806025739> <:CrabRave:590859147541741583> <:slurpgon:583424900732157956> <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586>

2020-02-22 08:57:41 UTC

Yeeey

2020-02-22 08:58:03 UTC

<:slurpgon:583424900732157956>

Anyone here want to debate something stupid like: โ€œis the average measurement and methodology of penis size measurement accurate?โ€ <:slurpgon:583424900732157956> <:pot_of_kek:544849795433496586> <:smugay:593502151758708776>

2020-02-22 09:02:48 UTC

niggerdicc strikes back\

2020-02-22 09:04:57 UTC

imagine if the plan tories have was to keep the european elite in while replacing the rest with pakis; this way they'd ensure even more tensions making it *objectively necessary* to implement stricter control methods.

2020-02-22 09:22:39 UTC

@แš แšขแ›–แ›šแ›–แ›žแ›’แšฃแšณแšจแšฟแšณแ›–แšฑ The only correct way to measure a penis is taking it in the puss and using the ahegao drool metric.

2020-02-22 10:50:07 UTC

@แš แšขแ›–แ›šแ›–แ›žแ›’แšฃแšณแšจแšฟแšณแ›–แšฑ less about methodology accuracy, more about standardisation of methodology.

I would argue both because some the methods themselves are retarded. @Zephyr Blackfish

2020-02-22 10:51:59 UTC

@แš แšขแ›–แ›šแ›–แ›žแ›’แšฃแšณแšจแšฟแšณแ›–แšฑ well most of the methods involve circumference, and length from tip to a given region; standardise where and how you measure, and it'll achieve better results.

2020-02-22 10:52:49 UTC

Not only can you measure length and girth, but subsequently volume; the thing that matters most to women. <:smugon:512048583806025739>

@Zephyr Blackfish well one major methodological problem is that most of the available data has too little sample size or very high degree of inaccuracy as a result from it not being an actual measurement of the peni, but it being a self reported size like it is in many countries where you can usually see some cohort of studies in some Frankensteinian way mixed together. Which results in the available data that people lookup everyday. <:smugon:512048583806025739>

2020-02-22 10:55:57 UTC

So would you recommend state-assigned researchers to fondle and measure on an international scale?

Never, but I do laugh quite a bit when people think the data reflects reality in such a degree that it is useable and somehow in some weird way takes pride in such data and uses it as a mate approach. <:pepelaugh:544857300179877898>

Although one thing for I think I remember reading because our shit professor is a feminist and I needed to make a goddamn report on the accuracy of the data is that generally the Asian data and some European and American data usually are much more accurate than the African, Middle Eastern and South American data.

2020-02-22 11:59:24 UTC

we need to bring back the Australian Natives' Association tbh

2020-02-22 12:19:03 UTC

How do you do fellow calm and collected members of the wider society?

2020-02-22 12:54:04 UTC

Honestly I forget how based the Australian Labor Party was back in the 1890s and 1900s, some Labor politicians speeches were certainly spicy

2020-02-22 12:55:05 UTC

```โ€œWhite Australia must not be regarded as a mere political shibboleth. It was Australiaโ€™s Magna Carta. Without that policy, this country would have been lost long ere this. It would have been engulfed in an Asian tidal wave. There would have been no need for the Japanese to have invade this country. We would have been swallowed up by the rolling advance of a horde of coloured people, anxious to escape the privations of their own countries and prepared to impose their own standards on this countryโ€ฆ.

It is necessary only to examine the racial composition of present-day Fiji, where the Hindus have elbowed the natives out of the picture, to visualise what could have happened in this country had the White Australia Policy not been fought for doggedly at the end of the nineteenth century. We were then fighting for our national survival. Had we weakened, the floodgates would have opened and the natural increase of population according to Asian standards would have done the rest. It would then have been too late, this country would have been a push-over for the Asiaticsโ€ฆ.

Those who advocate admission of coloured labour quotas invariably ignore the economic reasons responsible for the White Australia Policy. While they had their origin in the anxiety of Australian workers to maintain their standards of living, the White Australia Policy has more than justified itself on national security grounds. If this country had admitted Japanese even to the same degree that Honolulu admitted Japanese, what would our position have been in 1942? Would it be safe to admit unlimited numbers of Indonesians, Hindus, or Chinese today?```
-New South Wales Premier (1930-32) and Labor party member Jack Lang

2020-02-22 14:21:01 UTC

```โ€œI believe in implicitly in the principle of a White Australia, but I do not think it can be maintained simply by waving a sheet of paper containing the dictation test. If we want to preserve it, and I am sure we all do, we shall have to provide means for maintaining it, by force, if necessary. We cannot keep out the people of the Japanese race by means of a dictation test, and we do not want them to come into competition with Australian workers. There would be a public outcry if Parliament removed the present embargo against the introduction of Asiatic labour. What would happen if we cast adrift our defence policy and severed our connection with Great Britain? I do not say that the Japanese would attempt to come here by force of arms, but if we were no party to the scheme of empire-protection, they would certainly insist on the removal of certain provisions in our Immigration Act, and would then invade Australia by the process of peaceful penetration.โ€```
-James Ogden
Labor party senator in the early 1920s.

2020-02-22 14:23:25 UTC

hard to believe that Labor was one of the most nationalistic parties in Australia

2020-02-22 14:35:54 UTC

Christ the Australians were based, I can only wish we had politicians and speakers like that today.

2020-02-22 14:59:38 UTC

Economically speaking that's no longer realistic. Too many stakeholders in international affairs.

2020-02-22 15:00:25 UTC

Ideology often follows economics, so yeah.

2020-02-22 15:01:29 UTC

Unless we experience some sort of global technological setback that makes trading and stuff really hard once again, the ideological trajectory probably won't change.

2020-02-22 20:11:46 UTC

Oh sweet the channel's back

2020-02-22 20:27:51 UTC

Woooooo

2020-02-22 21:00:46 UTC

Should there be a law in place that makes it impossible to impeach a President a second time if theyโ€™re acquitted, say similar to double jeopardy? Or should something else be done? Could such a law even be put in place or would it be unconstitutional?

2020-02-22 21:06:33 UTC

Hey

2020-02-22 21:06:50 UTC

@Sq crcl how to start his debate?

2020-02-22 21:07:05 UTC

Dunno, do you want to say something first?

2020-02-22 21:07:48 UTC

I've come to the conclusion that public schools are just like socialism. it works in the short term but then becomes a virus

2020-02-22 21:07:56 UTC

Agreed

2020-02-22 21:08:51 UTC

Ok, let me show you what worries me about it and then you can respond with your ideas, thoughts,questions... Etc and then we go from there.

2020-02-22 21:09:07 UTC

sure

2020-02-22 21:11:13 UTC

Public education is shit because the teachers are uninvolved, the syllabus is toxic, the schools are after the government's money and the government only cares about the average of the people not at all any individuals' success other than a prop piece for a commercial on achievement or some bullshit.

How are we doing so far, do we agree? @Kingy200

2020-02-22 21:12:12 UTC

More to it than just uninvolved but yes we agree

2020-02-22 21:12:25 UTC

Ok, so therefore...

2020-02-22 21:12:43 UTC

There are also teacher unions that come in to play

2020-02-22 21:16:59 UTC

are u typing a book

2020-02-22 21:17:46 UTC

Un-official *support schools* cropping up due to the vacuum in the market. The education the schools provide is useless, worse than useless for competitiveness.

If we aid these associations, we reward the inept and thieving government's error.

These associations get corrupt over long term.

These associations can't impart licenses and are operating in a grey zone, capped always by the goodwill and patience of the local government.

Homeschooling is the better alternative, for situations where necessary, community schools but never as part of any larger organisation.

2020-02-22 21:18:30 UTC

Let the free market fix this as well

2020-02-22 21:18:46 UTC

I'm done. @Kingy200
Sorry, wanted to simplify it.

2020-02-22 21:22:43 UTC

Well there is no doubt that it would corrupt over time. If private schools get funding they'll have the same problem that public schools did. They'd be doing things for goverment funding because they'll be able to get more. Therefor the goverment will push things it wants tort.

If you change the way the goverment looks at education it would be better i'd like to think. (not sure if it's true but it's worth exploring) what if the goverment wasn't in education at all. Didn't give funding and didn't give test. Just left it to the private market?

2020-02-22 21:23:32 UTC

I think them increasing the time to respond was a good idea haha

2020-02-22 21:23:48 UTC

I'm so glad i complained about it

2020-02-22 21:26:52 UTC

*If private schools get funding they'll have the same problem that public schools did. They'd be doing things for goverment funding because they'll be able to get more. Therefor the goverment will push things it wants tort.*

We see eye to eye, I reckon.

*what if the goverment wasn't in education at all. Didn't give funding and didn't give test. Just left it to the private market?*

This is what I want to see instead of crony-anything ๐Ÿ‘

I think we think alike where I'm more skeptical even about some of the actors within the free-er market
(we haven't had freemarket setup for several centuries)

2020-02-22 21:30:15 UTC

Yeah i'm skeptical about the freemarket aswell. I can see someone coming along that offers these schools money to teach things. (not the goverment). It could be a business or a person with an agenda. If they can get more money what would stop them from doing so.

Also i think there would be less teachers but more better quilty teachers. If the teacher fails the school fails as they loose students.

2020-02-22 21:30:33 UTC

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Heck, even the church could run schools better in the 16th century ๐Ÿ˜ธ

2020-02-22 21:30:54 UTC

Hahaha scary but true

2020-02-22 21:35:52 UTC

*Yeah i'm skeptical about the freemarket aswell.*

Me too, bc of the **human condition** (greed, sloth, env...) .

*It could be a business or a person with an agenda.*

And here we enter nuances. Ie. : if the owner of a small to moderate operations' voluntary CEO and class giver was a biiig family man or woman (idc) then -... Perhaps a *maybe* let's try because we have working ones already.

2020-02-22 21:38:51 UTC

In that system, market inefficiency is awarded with continuous rejection until improvements are achieved and that's it.

All the magic.

Do work, get paid accordingly. The better you are at it and can market it, the more you lift everyone around with your quality / price / reliability contributions. That simple and constantly adapting the provided to the customers' real needs direct. @Kingy200

2020-02-22 21:42:02 UTC

You also have to compete more as there are more schools. Which means the pay for teachers would go up? Which means more people with higher IQ's see the pay and move to become a teacher. The shiity teachers move to the bad schools because of pay but the quiltiy over time of teaching teachers go up thus even the education in the shiity school goes up over time

2020-02-22 21:42:49 UTC

In the end give it 40 years and the pay will stabilize

2020-02-22 21:43:38 UTC

that evidence is based off programmers (over paid for what it is but pay is going down now for shiity programmers)

2020-02-22 21:54:19 UTC

Oh, not just liveable wages but TEACHERS and real EDUCATORS people who are naturally apt to do it.

2020-02-22 21:55:14 UTC

Yes, I don't really know what's the ladder or businesses opportunity being a programmer...

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2020-02-22 21:56:23 UTC

What do you think the government has as an incentive to allow for such schools to give out medical and law and theology degrees?

2020-02-22 21:57:35 UTC

Goverment will increase the cost and lower the quality if they do

2020-02-22 21:58:12 UTC

the question is, would it become easier to become a doctor or lawyer. I think if u do the same with hospitals it would

2020-02-22 21:58:30 UTC

I'm not sure if they do it consciously, I think it's rather the nature of any parasitic relationship.

2020-02-22 21:59:04 UTC

That's also partly why I mentioned the human condition earlier.

2020-02-22 21:59:27 UTC

I think we best operate in smaller ad more woven communities

2020-02-22 21:59:50 UTC

I'd like to think that, at least that's what empirical evidence tells me

2020-02-22 22:01:33 UTC

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Is it true than, that any such thing cannot exist only if it has the same self governing right locally?

2020-02-22 22:01:55 UTC

(like the government enjoys now)

2020-02-22 22:02:43 UTC

honestly i think it could become a massive problem if its locally. i think state would be better

2020-02-22 22:02:56 UTC

@ETBrooD
I'm glad you popped in you've had some good ideas the last time we spoke about this

2020-02-22 22:03:29 UTC

I think nothing will change, schools will remain shit

2020-02-22 22:04:03 UTC

I think state and local can work together yeah

2020-02-22 22:04:08 UTC

I consider the education system hopeless. What must happen is that people spread information outside of the system, thus making it irrelevant.

2020-02-22 22:04:43 UTC

Education must become as cheaply and easily available as sugar

2020-02-22 22:05:03 UTC

Education is the cost of an internet connection

2020-02-22 22:05:26 UTC

No not really unfortunately

2020-02-22 22:05:59 UTC

i dont think you got what i'm saying

2020-02-22 22:06:07 UTC

If that was the case maybe the situation would be better, but there's a lot of information that's behind massive paywalls for the public, but "freely" accessible to students and scholars

2020-02-22 22:06:23 UTC

Even though it's not free, they get subsidized

2020-02-22 22:06:37 UTC

yeah thats true. but you can get info that's not on pay walls

2020-02-22 22:06:58 UTC

Yeah but none of the good stuff, because they want to maintain their monopoly on knowledge

2020-02-22 22:07:34 UTC

i think it's just better education methods rather than knowledge

2020-02-22 22:08:14 UTC

What makes their education methods good in any way? Most students have an extremely low retention rate into their adult years.

2020-02-22 22:08:49 UTC

That statement should be "if you dont practice you forget"

2020-02-22 22:09:17 UTC

It's not that simple. Teachers are trained in very poor quality education methods, like lecturing.

2020-02-22 22:09:34 UTC

Yet they get paid ungodly amounts for that low quality effort.

2020-02-22 22:09:52 UTC

And that by tax money, not by private donors or consumers.

2020-02-22 22:10:23 UTC

Yeah i don't disagree with you there. You'll be called a racist for saying that xD

2020-02-22 22:10:47 UTC

Yeah I guess in the US that'd be the case, fortunately I'm Austrian.

2020-02-22 22:11:57 UTC

even private schools.. they they aint private. Anything that gets goverment funding directly isn't private

2020-02-22 22:12:35 UTC

Yeah

2020-02-22 22:13:24 UTC

There are even worse cases of private schools for migrant children where they don't even have to teach the national curriculum while receiving subsidization, it's messed up.

2020-02-22 22:13:48 UTC

My dad used to teach at one of those.

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