There's really only one solution, people must create a database of general knowledge and recent scientific papers.

Like wiki, but for profit, and without any state subsidization.

They must also create a student-teacher network around that platform.

there should be multiple of them to force competition

Exactly.

The problem is, however, that public schools drive the prices of those private organizations up.

So I don't know what the solution is tbh.

it's like that in every thing tho. even in health care. food

everything that the goverment touches. kinda weird. I've spoke about this with the both of you before and you both disagreed with me. Don't know why you changed your mind

Maybe you're mistaking me for someone else? I've been against public education for years.

i think the solution would be 2 steps. stop making school attendance mandatory. and then cut all funding to every school. it will be hell for the first few years but it will get better

there are better ways. but that's just the quickest one

They'll never do any of that, it'd be a career killer for the vast majority of politicians.

Sorry guys, have you two discussed **opportunity cost**, yet?

In what context?

Looong formation time and lack of practical experience vs Homeschooling

Pardon?

I'm not following, sorry

me either

So a child that can read and is mature emotionally can study higher stuff

Start and finish school sooner

Any better?

school shouldn't be a place to become emotionally mature. that should be at home

I can follow now. What's your argument?

Yes, true

Well, if a student and their parents really spending good cash on really great education (given the child has what it takes) they'll think double where to invest their cash.

However the schools are absolutely completely reliant on the satisfaction of their clients.

Well the kids are the product they're producing

If there's no urge, people lose out on opportunity cost and falsely believe that time passing by is fiiiine.

I don't see why that'd be the case

Also, you'd have tons of really great reviews on schools and teachers before you decided to pay for the services

Do you mean if school is not mandatory then parents will neglect their children's education?

Well they'll be competing with homeschools and other private schools.

The public sector doesn't compete. It dies or takes over, but it never competes.

Nah, I think if parents are allowed they'll choose the most proven route @ETBrooD

that's why i said it shouldn't be mandatory

There is no "most proven route", because every child is different.

Even the most adaptable school is not neccessarily the best.

Oh, absolutely

I meant in *low resolution*

I don't think we should be looking at kids as kids. Lets look at them like they were phones. so emotions don't get in the way

Hahaha
No
Let's not pls

Yeah lets not

That has nothing to do with emotional bias

It's going to become emotional bias i believe

But i'll wait and see how you guys procced. I'm going to be watching for abit

My niece (age 8) goes to a school that allows her to fast forward or repeat individual classes

@Kingy200
Also man, thanks for the earlier! Nice one

Most parents in that school like that system, but some don't and pull their children out

Fuk em

I think it's impossible to know which system is best for children. Some flourish under a rigid structure, some don't.

You must always think with the head of the kids
What do they need and benefit from

That's why I think the best "system" is simply the free market.

So parents can send their children anywhere they like.

And they have many different systems to pick from, because that only exists in a free market.

True

That's why I said what I did in broken French

But perhaps online university is going to be huge one day

Well... that heavily depends on the subject I think

Math can be taught very well online, not really any problems

Hahaha
True

Biology however not so much

Or cooking, lab, photo lab

Yeah, and human interactions can also help some people even when it's a dry subject.

Although with the advance of VR and Musk neurolink... Hehe

Well ok, that far into the future it might be possible, sure 😛

I'm trying to think of a solution right this very moment. A way to significantly improve education.

Public education is extremely slow at adopting good teaching methods.

Make it punishable for teachers to lie

Uh... already is

You can sue any teacher you like

Ok, how about this


Ban, preferential treatment in class.

That's silly

Meh, idk. I think that's demanding too much.

At some point human failure and bias just comes into play no matter how hard we try to stop it.

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As a guidance

The key I think is that the system is optimized so that human failure is the *only* failure possible.

Not a rule. Something to aspire for, not to live by.

preferential treatment will be hard because it's private. but it will still happen. but hardly

I think we can much better reduce preferential treatment by reducing the incentive to do so.

Yeah but teachers need to be accountable, not over the rules. They can't only make up the rules if others are paying for it. <:hypersmugon:544638648721604608>

Basically negating the incentive instead of using negative or positive reinforcement.

yes the school holds them accountable. the parents hold the school accountable

Probably ETBrooD both

Well I think schools aren't held accountable *because* they receive subsidization.

Reduce AND instate new ones

The free market holds people accountable naturally. They simply fail more often.

@Kingy200
There's no accountability towards the parents

Funny but the school has responsibility to the government first

taking in a private market. yes there is. The child is less likely to get a good education which means less pay. which means the parents don't got someone to look after them when their older

So u have to get rid of pensions

I'd rather have parents revise the teaching syllabus in its outlines

Because parents see what the current market values

Not choosing for the kids but for the syllabus

What % of tax did we get rid of btw

With the education system revision?

yes

Depending.
If you only take the monetary its maybe 3% in my guesstimate... Without looking anything up... Sowwy

what if you get rid of taxes aswell

i mean pensions