Tbh, I hate talking politics with normies

This isn't counting defferal of gratification of course (something else directly linked to IQ)

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/636293732093919283/640207659299241987/1561511842322.webm

As for metaphysics, I still see it as the only viable and consistant way to have any sort of morality.

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unironically you guys should adopt banjod religion

@StRexPowerColt are you a moral realist by chance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAGnKpE4NCI

what is a moral realist kek

I am currently becoming a Banjodist

evolutionary moralism is moral realism from my view

Morals that morality is in reality and external to humans.

that's a moral objectivist

I haven't head of it till now

Moral objectivists are mostly moral realists.

and no i don't agree, it comes from humans and is an expression of behaviors coming from genes

Heard of Moral Objectivist tho

which makes it subjective

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I think morality is subjective, morality is simply how tribes operate and it will change from group to group

I disagree, I believe in Logos

Well, Adam Friended makes the case that evolutionary strategy is an objective morality.

I hate to be the big brained centrist I guess, but that’s all I can really go to

He’s an atheist by the way

Autocorrect is good until it clicks you, kek

basically all life that operates in groups because operating in groups leads to better chances of survival will develop their own moral systems which is merely an expression of behaviors that promote cohesion and better survival of members in the group

i heard of his argument

and honestly the way i see it, is that he is merely making objective statements about something inherently subjective

Adam Friended argues that if morality developed to make groups more successful and coherent and evolved, we can measure it objectively. There, we should make an objective standard of morality around group fitness.

I believe that there is an objective truth to the world, and that through reason, logic, and evidence that truth can be uncovered by man, and to some extant already has been.

Yeah I hate saying morality is subjective, because I think cultures aren’t equal, but that would imply it’s objective

Some I’m contradicting myself here

https://youtu.be/wrxSLqQAOwU Weird cat

@StRexPowerColt so you think morality is created by people, there’s a truth and morality in the universe?

his position if iirc is something like "these strategies that we call morality are a result of the objective statement that they are the result of things positive to grp survival so therefore it's objective"

but as i said

it's an obj statement about something subj it doesn't make it obj

@Weaboo Kempeitai I blame the weird cat breed breeders

@The Eternal Swede It seems happy though.

"Let's just make 'fancy cats' to the point that they are barely even viable to live"

Well, he is making subjective claims. But using an objective manner. It’s grounded in group fitness.

I mean in a sense we can say it’s objective since it’s a survival strategy, so what ever works the best is obviously the best

Agree. Many intentionally bred munchkins come out with defects. Their bones sort of give out on them or somthing.

It would be a natural law morality.

But still, that cat looks happy.

No reason to put it down.

Like might is right.

Yeah, happiness is relative so I'm sure it's happy

The Definition of “best” isn’t good though since with different genetics, cultures and geography “best” change from tribe to tribe

Can't miss something you never had, it's like being born blind as opposed to going blind.

But breeding cats like that seems like a shitty thing to do

I remember watching this video of kids trying to describe colour to sombody who was blind from birth but he seemed to get frustrated by it.

Are you saying that since it varies, it’s not objective?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM8bTdBs-cw

@The Eternal Swede I don't think it was intentionally bred this way, but may be a product of sombody attempting to breed a munchkin. Sombody in the comments said it had some sort of bone infection.

Well implicitly yeah I am

Though pointing it out like that makes me feel fucking stupid

It’s a fair point.

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@Weaboo Kempeitai I mean breeding any breed similar to munchkins in pushing the line of viability

But I think when you use the term objective, it’s something that can be empirical or standard.

The standard being a group fitness.

I hate those ugly little purse dogs we breed as well

Abominable

morning everyone

@Nerthulas go back to sleep.

why?

https://twitter.com/realDaveReilly/status/1190490380309012482

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what happened

I told you to go back to sleep.

@Hector I believe there is an underlying truth in the universe (Logos), and that things that conflict with that truth (which you can figure out through metaphysics and other such things with reson logic and evidence) are degenerate, or if they hurt someone besides oneself, evil.

American Conservativism

There are safe ways to breed munchkins though, apparently ones bred from Scottish Folds are the ones with defects, though people debate the efficacy of breeding them at all. People don't really want to regard them as a legitimate breed.

Lot of dog and cat breeds are basically the product of purposeful dysgenics. Intentionally breeding defects because they look cute. Now we have bulldogs who can barely breath.

Whew morality is a tough one but at least here people are willing to talk about it unlike most normies

@StRexPowerColt let me ask you a question. Is morality outside of men, a part of the universe and truth?

People get angry when you discuss morality like it’s a disgusting horrible fact

Munchkins are very restricted in their ability to move around. It's very unfair. Most of a cat's recreational activities revolve around chasing things. It's their literal purpose to catch prey for you. It's what's ingrained in their evolution.

not even the universe is outside of man

I’m planning reading some books on morality.

Frankly, I’m a Christcuck as many of you say.

can you make a quick summary of why you believe that objective morality exists

@Hector Try After Virtue by Alasdair MacIntyre.

there are usually a few different basic classifications

I don’t hate Christians or anti theist

Well, I believe in God and evolution. So I think that we can create a morality from the true, which I think you can slavery morality. @Nerthulas

I just can’t make myself believe that there is a god

what do you mean we can create a morality from the true?

how would we go about doing that

if we create it is it really objective?

@Weaboo Kempeitai got it on my list with real ethics, Genealogy of morality, and Rights and Wrongs.

@Nerthulas by create, I meant a new synthesis. I think it as a morality already exist.

Is that a fair answer?

how do you get by the is-ought question?

I guarantee that anything anybody could come up with would be facetious and purely linguistic

What happens if you drink heavy water?

@Nerthulas well, do numbers exist outside of the mind?

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