Quit ruining a non-mutant

no, nothing exists or can be conceived of except as it is modulated by human intelligence

lol

iippo

Frankly, I believe in what you call slavery morality.

Uhh the is ought thing I don’t really think about since I think of it in terms of “this is just the way it is”

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/231885851#p231889725

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@Hector We are part of the universe, so it is both inside of us and outside of us. The underlying truth (Logos) exist, that which conflicts with it is wrong, that which conflicts with it and hurts other is evil. Logos can only be recongnized by living things, and therefore it is only the job of living things to try not conflict with it (be moral), obviously a rock or grain of sand simply is and cannot disagree wtih Logos, only living thinking things can disagree and go against Logos. To go beyond the morality (which is simply not being immoral) is to be virtuous and uphold Logos.

Vids are hilarious

@StRexPowerColt I would classify you as a moral realist then.

Numbers are apart of reality.

is ought is the difference between the way the world is (positive or descriptive thought) and the way we want it to be (normative or preferential thought)

Numbers are just a way of qualifying reality.

We can do it differently, but there are simples in the universe.

Well @Hector All that I am doing is stating that which was preached by Jesus.

its pretty obvious that the brain is a product of evolution, as are our moral preferences

our moral preferences are just emergent

@Nerthulas the book I recommended you, did you open it yet?

I opened it and looked over it quickly, but I haven't gone into it in depth

does it contain a response to this?

It’s a book about how the mind evolved and difference between a ripple in moral preferences.

But I think morality is outside of people. Just wanted you to know I understand the whole evolution morality thing.

the thing is, the fact that the brain evolved a certain way actually implies nothing about what we ought to do, or the validity of human morality

its just a fact

it doesn't budge is/ought

something being explained is not the same as something being justified

Well, if you don’t believe in moral realism, that would be the case.

Like I understand what you’re saying. I even recommended you a book on it. I disagree though.

well independently of what your position on moral realism vs non realism is, an explanation is not the same thing as a justification - that I can find an evolutionary basis for a behavior does not imply that that behavior is metaphysically good or whatever

there is no room for disagreement

lol

So you don’t think I can justify my position?

absolutely not 😂

frankly I like christians who claim revelation more than christians who engage in apologetics

I don’t know if this convo can move forward.

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Throw holy water on him

He will burn

anything you could do would be purely linguistic

a trick with definitions

@Nerthulas Is correct, Pathos exist, and Christianity already knew that.

@iippo I’m not Catholic....

@Nerthulas errrr no?

ok, give it to me then...

I'll show you where the difference in definitions causes the breakdown

Well, I think morality is based off group strategy.

We can measure roughly success and judge that as moral or not.

speculating about what moral systems are the most evolutionarily advantageous, or what the evolutionary basis of moral systems are, is not a solution to is/ought, it does not even engage with it

So you think something needs to be GROUNDED to be objective?

idk exactly what you mean by grounded, but unless you solve is/ought, your preference is an animal preference caused by the series of events which led to your life, and is a natural phenomenon, not a metaphysical one

So, grounded is something enforcing or justifying it.

BASEDDDDDDD

Oml

me on a friday night ngl FABBBBBBBBBBBULOOOOOOOOUSSSSSSSSSSS

Btw

Thing is you can move past your own preference of course. I may perfer pizza, but its bad for me and so I don't eat it much. However if I never knew it was bad for me, my Pathos would obviously win out.

My heart started hurting after you posted that. 😭 I need to run more.

Has anyone pointed out to trad caths that Catholics worked with Jews to pass the 1965 immigration act? Now that they're so based all of a sudden

@iippo your point?

I fucking hate Catholics.

HEHEHEHE

Catholics have always been a force on the left in the US

by and large

There was internationalist globo homo WASP’s as well

Catholics have always been a force on the Left period. Their Church was just an extension of the Roman Government, and like all Governments, its default position is Left Wing, and must have Society keep it in check.

the Church can be held responsible for promoting miscegenation in Latin America as well

I am seeing a lot of reaction towards the right. Not sure what the polling data is, but they seem to be moving further right. Look at the Covington kids and Nick Fuentes.

they were at least partially responsible

I wouldn’t hate on Catholics to much though

There is plenty of traitors in all groups

some are, but the Democrats have a vice grip on urban catholics

@Nerthulas I think I could move the convo further. Did you see me define grounded?

they're in deep with them

yeah I did

America was built by WASP’s but some wanted mass immigration and miscegenation

I'm not sure that if you 'grounded' your moral system it would be true though

depends on what you think it means in practice

you have to solve is/ought

I think God grounds it

haha

Typical Christcuck, amirite

yeah God is undefined I don't even know what that sentence means

Woah

Catholics aren't half bad

ofc not

BUT THEY'RE NOT SUPER FASHY GOY LIKE ME

The whole point of the Catholic Church was to reign in the Sociatal power of Christianity in its many pre-Catholic forms (The Aposlitic Chruches including the Gnostic ones, the Nazerines, the Paulline, etc.) because that power had grown larger than that of Rome and streatched far beyond its boarders.

The Hispanic Catholics are the issue

Ok Hoxha

Which is something we already knew

Catholicism is perverted with Liberation theology in Central/South America

They almost voted even in McCain vs Obama though. That is a huge change up to Trump vs Hillary

Those are your Democrat Voters

Wow, they are liberal >_>