Why do you always have to fall all over yourself to get the last word in?

Point is, it's stupid to openly associate yourself with an ideology you have to climb uphill to change the perceptions of when you can rebrand and don't have to.

@HipToTheJQ I thought you said you weren't debating this any further?

LOL

whatever

I'll think twice to question our glorious queen next time

Sorry

Hey compatriots let's save the night of long knives for the ethnostate

We're just organizing a tiki torch rally

Well the Satanist have a statue in detroit and other major cities paid for by tax dollars... @Erika

@Nicklis - OH jfc I still don't think that makes it mainstream, though. It just means a certain minority group bitch enough in a most likely Leftist controller city and got what they wanted.

We need real torches this time lol

I'm sure we all have different ideals about how we should present ourselves and I'm sure they each have some pitfalls. We should focus on the reason we're doing this, unity.

We're only strong when we're working as one force

Baby steps seem nice. Survive THEN thrive. lets worry about wether to be fascist or not when all the commies are already dead

We aren't going to get rid of the commies without some fascism.

The normies refusal to see the fascism in the behavior of American heroes past is insipid.

I agree on both angles. We need a good spearhead that appeals to the public. But yes.. If/when the time comes... My NS brothers and I will be the sword. Waiting behind the scenes.

I want a meme of George Washington crossing the Delaware in a Helicopter and throwing "red coats" out along the way

People pretend Lincoln didn't arrest the entire Maryland Assembly.
Pretty Fashy maneuver that.

I know most here align with the alt-south. We would still be foolish to not acknowledge all the parts of our history that counter. The prevailing "good guy/bad guy" Marxist Kike version of history.

Appealing to the public is too Democratic for me. A Biblical example is that the savior, Jesus Christ, was passed up over a common thief Barnabas when left to the public decision

You win public by being their fighter. Their champion.

They don't give two shits if that's in a cross, swastika, pentagram, or a hammer and sickle. If you're their champion they will love you

I guess by public, I mean fellow Whites that could be open to our message. Its obviously not a Populist movement. We only want a specific kind, even anong whites, in our ranks.

Another example is how would you court a woman? Courting public opinion is the same way. You do so by being bold, courageous, and a fighter. If you're unwilling to do those things no amount of swastikas or PRcucking is gonna get you accepted

Every great and successful movement of our type has had the same view on "optics". Present an honest and true message, openly name your enemies, and you will recruit the people who believe in your message and will fight for it. If you try and trick people into supporting you you show you are weak and a liar, and when they find out they will recoil from you, and rightfully so.

Why try to appeal to and recruit people who want nothing to do with you? The NSDAP started with 20 maligned extremists in a bar in Munich. By being open and honest and speaking truth to power you will recruit earnest and honest men who will fight and die for you.

“Generals think war should be waged like the tourneys of the Middle Ages. I have no use for knights; I need revolutionaries.” AH

Joe Normie isn't going to strap on boots and fight communists with you no matter how much you lie about being a White Nationalist and Anti-Semite.

What this illustrates, to me, is the prioritization of social capital and outward appearance over true self presentation of ideas and goals. This is a very feminine behavior.

If we inhibit or deny any tactic we are limiting ourselves.

As things get more tumultuous people will tend radical. One direction or another. It’s only a matter of time before we have people flocking to us and demanding radicalization. We’d better be ready to provide that to them.

Who says anyone is lying about being a white nationalist or anti-Semite? Going around LARPing about wanting a 4th Reich and not softening your image will make Joe Normie shut down and not even want to listen to your point of view. None of this is about lying to appeal to normies. It's about rebranding and being smart about your rhetoric to open up conversation with those on the fence. Obviously, there's a time and place for harsher rhetoric and tactics. And that time will come as whites continue to feel more out of place and discriminated against.

There's a place for and time for everyone from 'moderates' like IE to Aryan Brotherhood prison gang alumni.

We just need leadership with the ingenuity and stomach to embrace a variety of tactics.

For now whomever is organizing earns the right to call the shots. If anyone doesn't like it:
Create your own brand and publicize your own events

I wouldn't call really IE "moderate". Not after being involved in so much activism with the organization and 1 on 1 conversations with IE leadership. Although I am happy we come off that way. We put a lot of work into our brand and optics, and it pays off with how many high quality applicants we usher into the family every week.

We throw them off by with nice guy nationalism... then BAM! Slam the door on the oven.

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Yeah I see IE as moderate since the only thing they are pushing for is whiteness, no preference in fashy economic systems. Barebones white nationalism

IE isn't setting the edge. That's not their role. By have always having someone more extreme it gives anyone less extreme wiggle room.

Well IE is 14 with an optional 88.

This is how the left has worked for a century and it's why they are freaking out now that we have groups even accidentally employing these tactics.

And by having slightly more extremes it tests the waters a bit on what you can get away with in an ideology

Yup, IE can speak to the masses. This frees up the shitlords to rustle some jimmies, and they just need to agree and amplify.

In a world with Richard Spencer getting any attention at all Rep Steve King and Clay Higgins can say things that people yawn at.

We're just not a political organization. We work on a metapolitical level to influence political change. We keep politics out of the public eye.

I agree with the strategy of convincing those on the fence. That's where we are in today's political landscape.

Redpill all the civic nationalists

Focusing on exclusively "red pilling all of group X" is poor strategy. People are systematically trained to reject extremes.

The tactic is to keep putting the message out there in all forms possible to all receptive audiences through a variety of medium.

The power of audacity is what draws people in.

We need more numbers and we ultimately need to win the hearts and minds of the voters. We're going to need to play the Democratic system until it bites the dust

*which is hopefully soon reee*

Extremists don't "try to be extreme" find your niche & push the agenda. 14 words is the bare minimum. Personally I won't waste my time on the civics, I think you'll have better luck converting left wing radicals. Revolutionaries are revolutionaries, they just need to wake up to the fact that they're fighting for the wrong team. Civics seek to maintain a system that is bent on white genocide. We will not vote our way out of this, but I'm happy to help my white brothers & sisters any time, any place. So I'll see all you moderates in Cville

Democracy has clearly failed but it has a military holding it's lifeless corpse up for the time being

Fully agreed, they will be there just like they are at every event to show their power, by continuing to keep the 2 opposing factions at Bay they demonstrate to the Normie that they are the true power in the street. Lemmings follow power. This is why erosion of system power is fundamental to our cause.

Some civics still think they can vote out of it. The treatment of Trump has been a red pill of its own to others.

I know a couple guys who were Bernie followers who got red pilled when the Jew reverted to type. They are now solid 14 words and exploring 88

We will all talk more in Cville, looking forward to it!

I think it's good we recognize that the full truth and natural order must be restored

There's no voting out of this.

The masses don't want your message, it's unsafe to hold it. The system crashes down on them and threatens their livelihood for it.

The lemmings will follow along with what the system says to believe, blue is red, peace is war, slavery is freedom. So long as their comfort is assured.

Telling the truth is essential but another part of the truth is we need muscle to insure it gets out there and is not further suffocated by the system.

What is wrong with the "but muh PR!!!" Isn't that people necessarily disagree with you on that but it's the wrong mentality to placate your enemy and seek to be subjugated to the opinion of the masses.

Any contentious event needs the polished appearance around the speaker for public consumption. The hoi poloi around for atmospherics. These dedicated activist give the appearances of mass appeal.

Then there needs to be a protection/enforcement we all know what they are for. There is no "minimum threshold." Anyone who wants/likes to fight and has a modicum of discipline is welcome

If the Proud Boys, Aryan Brotherhood, or random biker gangs want to come knock heads, cool.

Funny enough, I am going to PR school right now. The most applicable takeaway so far is that you need to network with third-party allies and call on them to push limited agendas that fit within your broad agenda.

—Which is somewhat what we've been doing.

Also @Tyrone You are aware that the AB overwhelmingly does not really give a shit about the 14 Words?

Neither do the proud boys.

They aren't philosophers or orators. They are their for intimidating or if that fail enforcing.

If 70 IQ dindus can do it we can find a guy with a Reichstag Eagle on his head and we will just ask him to wear a hat.

I also have a feeling that they are apolitical because people run like bitches from association. I just kind like the idea of weaponizing them against the rainbow coalition.

Based Stickman doesn't have a coherent world view either, he just likes to fight.

You know what happened when the Rolling Stones contracted the Hell's Angels for concert security?

—Overall point being, don't rely on people who don't have a modicum of discipline and don't consider themselves to share your cause, at least more than superficially.

What I will say for the AB is that their logo isn't literally a BBC.

Shamrock tattoos are implicitly white.

I'm familiar with what Hell's Angels did. To this day, no one fucks with them.

I wish people still had the same respect/reverence/fear for what white people have done across the planet when we take off the restrictor plate.

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@Hand Banana what is your training regimen for your duel with Mr "Fvtvre Soldier" Strasser?

@Hand Banana we'll arrange that for the after party.

@пидорновичок I'm eating 37 raw eggs a day

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Holy shit you're fucked <:futuresoldier:324384735675547658> @JohnStrasser

Thats it

I'm dirty bulking

No exercise at all, trying to retain mass

@Matthias Can you give me the IE tag?

Thanks fam

@everyone I would strongly recommend that you stop antagonizing alt-light groups through to the event. We're already going to get a unified liberal and media attack on us. We should focus our attack on them.