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Ok I'll start. The intervention of the US in 1917 in the great war hugely tipped the scales in the entente's favor. Leading to greater negotiating power at the Paris peace accords and the eventual brutal territory seizing and monetary stipulations on the central powers at the treaty of Versailles.
TLDR - It's our fault
ooh new channel
Yeah just saw it too
Soo essentially we caused WWII
The real question is , why did the (((international press))) want us in the war so bad?
They correctly assessed our warmaking ability?
why wouldn't it
war is money
among other things
I'm a proponent of the "muh lusitania" argument being insufficient
It's almost like after the central banks were established the US has been used as an attack dog in a series of proxy wars
Like aside from the Mexican telegram and the lusitania, what reason did we have to intervene?
this but the goats are nibbas
videos like these are great for perspective
Yeah I love those time lapse map vids
You know Alexander had to do it to 'em.
Alexander was fantastic
Muh horse lanes
Though I would say that Ptolemy was ironically a better general and administrator.
I admittedly don't know as much as I should about Ptolemy
Pretty badass guy, my rational for him being better than alexander is thus. Alexander used his Macedonian army to beat all the occidental armies, then Ptolemy beat *that* army with Egyptian levy troops and some Macedonian Calvary.
the companions :)
He might not have been as much as a luminary but he held his territory for a lot longer and his dynasty lasted all the way to that thot Cleopatra.
Why is history so vast. so hard to learn it all
I guess you could apply that same thinking to a lot of figures. That the guy that beats the guy that was famous for beating other guys is dank.
Could spend a year on caesar in Gaul alone
Caesar in Gaul is one of the earliest anti-insurgent manuals really.
Tfw the romans are balls deep in your territory and you call the other chieftains for help who could completely surround him with superior number but they say "nah"
Hell, I'd be scared to get on Rome's bad side too
Rome's early strategy is kind of like prison you know? You pick a fight with the biggest guy on the Mediterranean then no one wants to mess with you.
idk much about early republic
I mean in terms of them reking carthage over the punic wars
Hannibal did nothing wrong
he was a son of a bitch
Honestly he really didn't.
He a good boi
tfw you rek a kid so hard it becomes part of your name
seriously, F Carthage
They got fucked so hard
Honestly any civilization that relies on mercenary armies that hard deserves destruction.
Hmm, I see that
Ironically as the romans would learn to their chagrin
Man, I can't wait to visit Rome again.
SPQR scrolled on everything in sight
That's amazing, I'd love to go one day
I'm lucky my parents brought me along to Italy back in the day
Saw Venice, Florence, Rome, Sorrento
It's really something else
I hate American cities now
Yeah, most inner cities are downright depressing nowadays. You know Detroit used to be called the Paris of America?
Which sounds absolutely retarded now
Almost sounds accurate tbh
given the state of Paris nowadays, lol
Yea, Paris is the Detroit of Europe now. 💩
Bismark, did nothing wrong? OR cucked the Kaiser a bit too much and lead to junker repression in the traditional power structures of the country?
@Attrition in the desert What do you know about the Congolese war? I was watching some video of it, and the squad tactics seem very undisciplined. I know most of the Europeans were mercenaries from Belgium and England. Do you know anything about the minimum requirements for a contract? It seems like they weren't too picky
From what I understand the European involvement was more of a loose coalition of private MCmercs under some African militia colonel. Kind of like the French foreign legion but with the added baggage of Belgium's history of doing nothing wrong in the congo
Right, I knew that, it's just that those mercs seemed especially incompetent
Mercenaries are usually a pretty retarded solution anyway
Clearly the best solution to insurrection in central Africa is a few good men in short shorts
That being said, King Leopold had a literal gold mine in the Congo for a while, if I was betting on any African country to rise up with the benefits of colonialism in the 19th century it would have been them or perhaps the ivory coast
I think Jarod Taylor actually talks about it in some interview I've seen
The Congo is a miserable place to live. After the benefits of European medicine were cut, it's no surprise to me that the people living there went back to barely being able to survive
It's truly staggering that a people living next to Arabs that had invented the wheel, could not even *adopt* the wheel until civilization was forced upon them
I have a short book on the history of Zanzibar that you might like
Nice, what's the title? I've been getting into the history of the Berber people lately and the bastion of civilization that north Africa used to be
I still maintain that St.Augustine was white
The History and Economics of Zanzibar or some shit
You ever hear about Mansa musa?
Berbers are a very interesting people
Yeah they are pretty white
I think they are descended from the original Phoenician peoples that mingled with the romans and just identify as "arab" on government surveys.
@John O - He was an African King that went on Hajj through parts of Europe and dispersed huge amounts of gold (Of which he had no idea the value of) and crashed the economy of several states along the way lol
She is African berbers are without a doubt Africans they were in northern Africa before most Arabs and blacks @John O -
They are white Genetics wise no other way to get blue eyes/ blond hair besides serious mutation
@Attrition in the desert Oh yeah, I've heard of him, but only throught the context of pro-white media. "The richest man in the history of the world was African".
I like how they will say "We can't actually measure his wealth" and "He was the richest man of all time" in the same paragraph.
What was your train of thought yesterday, though? Why did you bring him up?
We were talking about the ethnic multiplicity of North Africa, Mansa Musa is perhaps a perfect metaphor for the vast riches of an extremely wealthy region being in the hands of people too uncivilized to appreciate or capitalize on it.
If we think about North Africa during the time of the Punic wars or the Ptolemies or even When the Bishop of Alexandria ran everything as a quasi-roman theocracy it was pretty based. I think the region has potential to rise above the ooga booga and tap the vast resources of the dark continent.
With white people of course
I'm always suspicious of the veracity of the stories of the superiority of the white man and the savagery of the black man. The question here is, if they didn't recognize the value of gold, where did they get so much of it? They probably didn't trade it, which means they probably sunk huge amounts of man power into mines. Why would they do that if they thought it was worthless?
The reason I question these stories is because it's very important for us to stay grounded in reality. There's a reason why the Hoteps are laughed at by everyone, and it's not jealousy
Recognize is a relative term when we talk about how much value mansa musa (in this instance) found in gold. Its my belief that , in terms of the periphery of Africa, not the interior, that most of these African ideals of society and economy are simply a simulacra they produce based on interaction with the Arabs.
Mining is not a worthwhile operation unless you put the products of your labor towards weapons or tradeables. Why would you dedicate huge amounts of resources towards digging massive pits in the ground unless you could do something with what you pull out?
For the purposes of Islamic traditions that had been instilled on them. The impetus for this entire event, is once again a hajj.
Mali was by no means a vassal state, but I can see the enterprise of gold production to be completely developed on the idea of promoting and appeasing the ideas of piety the Mali people adopted
I can dig it
When a small portion of you on the ivory coast literally wuz kangz
As gay as it might sound, you can't always compare European civilization to African ones year to year. There are some quite interesting things the various super-Saharan kings came up with. The epiothian civilization for instance, they were pretty advanced for their time.
Africa is clearly down rn, but it absolutely had it's heyday. We shouldn't assume that white people will continue on their current trajectory. We should recognize that, even if we beat displacement, disgenics is real
@John O -. Makes a good point about inspecting things in an wider array, even if it feels relativist sometimes.
I've been finding some interesting parallels while investigating Arab civilization immediately after the conquests of Mohamed and the foundation of the Abbasid caliphate. While undoubtedly an advanced society, their rulers thought that they could benefit by importing the (((Persians))) to help them run their new state. The Arabs of course had never had a civilization at this level before and thought that the successors of Cyrus and Darius could help them engineer a better society. However after two centuries the Large Persian minority eventually overtook the majority of governorships and fractured the caliphate into it's second (Ummayid) period. Moral of the story, It's better to organically grow a state rather than looking for fast ways to advance at the cost of your ethos and people.
Absolutely. A similar situation is described in (I can't remember the name of the book, but it's very popular in IE), where the mechanism from which the left took power was by volunteering until the government depended on them. We also see this in the fact that a lot of our medical community is foreign. That's a huge position of influence, and if we continue to allow outsiders to scale to the upper echelons of society, we'll quickly lose control
Also, the tech industry, another hugely influential field
Same tactic the ADL used to control the FBI, Volunteering their database until the fbi got it's budget cut and had to rely on who the adl deemed a threat.
Providing assistance in fat times make an entity become dependent on you in lean times.
Right, that's exactly what I was talking about
That being said, we can definitely use this tactic ourselves through nice guy identitarianism.
I think we need significantly more members before we can do something like that
Or, just divert resources from activism. But this is an activist org
But to get back to the oriental autism, the Persian civilization has a lot to teach us, such as how a low iq majority replaced the high iq minority during the islamic revolution when the ayalollah overthrew the shah.
Or the various ethnic clashes perpetrated by the (((opponents))) of Cyrus the great in babylon.
Quick rundown of the on the Islamic revolution pls
>Be me 8/10 King of Kings >My dad was kind of dick to the shia in the country but w/e >Get educated in europe and bring enlightenment ideal back to Persia when I'm crowned shah >Things go pretty well, liberalize the economy, westernize the culture >Be the most western country in the middle east with a booming economy >Shia get really mad because "muh homed" >whatever dude.sand >Cia gives me a a ton of money because I support nato, and fuck up the house of saud whenever I can >Shia get really mad and overthrow me > Cia reinstated me as a puppet > Shias overthrow me again >Go into exile in America > Tfw the Ayatollah (An islamic cardinal or some shit) Immediatly instituted sharia law and shuts down all the universities and high level infrastructure I created >Mfw the high iq elites of persia flee for the west and a massive brain drain takes place > mfw the country actually accepts islam because everyone with an iq over 90 just gtfo >Die of cancer a few years later
This is also when the hostage crisis happened when the American consulate workers were taken hostage and carter was too much a bitch to rescue them. All the cia stuff was why they always chant death to america.
Oh, right. I thought you meant 10 th century or some shit
I hate Carter. My ancestors died digging the Panama Canal, and he just gave that shit up
Yeah Carter is a huge cuck
I follow Robert. Great content.
I found a set of like 10 books from this series https://www.amazon.com/Barbarian-Europe-Great-Ages-Man/dp/0809403803 Flipped through them at a local library clearance sale for used/donated books. Are there any particularly large or active homeschooling groups from IE that could make use of them? Seem to be some quality stuff. Also have a 4 part set on frontier life in USA (Wild West type stuff, etc.) that are leatherbound, really nice. Would like to see them put to good use.
(Change of topic but coming here reminded me to ask.)
Thanks for the share!
Reminds me of the Clovis people.
Europeans were in the America’s prior to the asiatic people. Solutrean theory.
We can even find traces of clovis dna in modern day indians. Which would posit that they crossed the land bridge after them , wiped them out and then interbred with the remnents to some degree. We wuz indians.
This guy covers similar topics.
Early american landmass pre-history is such a fascinating topic
I'll definitely check his stuff out
Robert Sepehr is much more our guy than Jimmy with bright insight but both are wealth’s of knowledge.
Broke: Immigration demographics changed in 1965, Woke: Immigration demographics changed in 13,000 BC
Could anyone recommend some good sources on the Boer wars or WWI? I have been flying blind on these topics. Take "Storm of Steel" by Junger for example: the most accessible translations censor the hell of the original work.
@Nemets Thanks! I had that one in my sights, but again, I can never tell what perspective I am getting.
@NateDahl76 Anything but the Michael Hofmann translation... which is rough because the others are pretty tough to find.
Hofmann cut out important chunks of the original.
Anyone know a good place to find primary reasources? Specifically looking for writing from the Yuan dynasty in China, but Google has not been my friend today.
Go to China.
A good history book on the topic will have references and a bibliography at the end
That will show good primary sources.
@Northri Unironically, Mein Kampf's section on WWI is pretty accurate on the German perspective and why Germany lost.
I found "frontgamensheift" as a term that embodies the feeling of the betrayal of the German frontline by November criminals to be very apt.
@GDoctor I don't doubt it one bit. Is there any reading you would suggest on this topic?
@Northri not in an academic, cited in MLA format sense but, I think "The Guns Of August" and "All Quiet On The Western Front" are good books that capture the experience of frontline troops in WW1.
Guns of August is a great read.
Became holy roman emperor as Catholic Great Britain
Fair enough. Protgang myself.
I always saw the anglo schism as a kind of very rare occurrence. Seeing as how Henry VIII was hugely pro-rome before he got mad about having an heir.
Oh I meant irl
What is the 'truth'about taxes and tax policy? Do rich people pay too much or too little? Are there companies not paying taxes despite making immense profits, or is that not true? Why does Jeff Bezos pay no taxes despite making 11 billion? Is it a good thing or not?
The 1% hates you and wants you replaced
We should tax the hell out of them
For a more serious answer, rich people have lobbyists who lobby Congress to keep the tax code complex with a bunch of loopholes
A big thing is that capital gains are taxed at a much lower rate than labor income, wages.
@Jonaltright The questioned raised is one of economics. The answer will come I’m a variety of flavors, contingent of the economic perspectives of the deliverer. I’m from the supply side camp. Giving you a 30k ft perspective: Logic, statistics, and business best practices mandate that FCF (free cash flow) is used by the strategically minded to grow and propagate a business. Tax savings, as a result, are used for CAPEX expenditures, talent retention (wage growth), and a myriad of other uses. IE: businesses saving on taxes isn’t hypothetically bad because some of that money must be used in order for said business to thrive.
Ok, @Jacob what do you think of @Ryan -NJ stance? Also what do you ya'll make of this clip https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iWVrbr35Eo&t=1132s
@Jonaltright Mind you that I don’t disagree with Jacob’s perspective. The 1% doesn’t care about any of us. My case is one of supply side Econ. In my perspective, the 1% has to give you residual benefits via mandatory forces.
@Jonaltright I'm too busy right now to get into it, but I'll give you an answer tomorrow
Any 1%er taking money out of this country or allowing foreign capital in should have a hard tariff placed on them. Ultranational corporations are one of the biggest threats to sovereignty.
American Juche is needed to rid us of parasite capital
Very interesting, this is what I was thinking too. But @Ryan -NJ if a corporation is supposed to be taxed a specific rate, let's say 30%, let's say government's make deals with some companies in order for a lower tax rate they do X, is this a good practice?
@Jonaltright That all depends. We can calculate ROI by how many jobs, wage growth, standard of living, families of European descent are brought to a given area in exchange for tax incentives.
@Ryan -NJ Hmm, do you know if there are companies getting these breaks on decidedly other grounds- like they bribe the politicians? I see what you mean on the ROI point, that was the idea behind NY having Amazon build a factory here: until AOC ruined the deal
@Jonaltright My argument is one of Economics. People and nefarious business conglomerates will always be unethical. The efficacy of supply side market economics is well established. The thing we as a group should continue to discuss is how much regulation (and who to enforce said regulation) should be the imposed on businesses in America.
Thoughts on Charles De Gaulle? ( Good optics only, let's keep this to France) I just finished a biography on him. Between the pioneering of modern armor tactics and the spearhead doctrine I would equate him to somewhat of a modern Napoleon in many ways. You could almost draw a contrast between himself and Marshal Petain as being incarnations of the martial duality of Republican France.
@Ryan -NJ what about leftists and some on our side that say taxes were very high post WWII and the money was used very efficiently? The right would say things only went wrong after 1967
(those on the right with this outlook that is)
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