It's truly staggering that a people living next to Arabs that had invented the wheel, could not even *adopt* the wheel until civilization was forced upon them

I have a short book on the history of Zanzibar that you might like

Nice, what's the title? I've been getting into the history of the Berber people lately and the bastion of civilization that north Africa used to be

I still maintain that St.Augustine was white

The History and Economics of Zanzibar or some shit

You ever hear about Mansa musa?

Berbers are a very interesting people

Yeah they are pretty white

I think they are descended from the original Phoenician peoples that mingled with the romans and just identify as "arab" on government surveys.

@Attrition in the desert what's Mansa Musa?

@Attrition in the desert @Louis Loire - NY that girl looks extremely African in that portrait

@John O - He was an African King that went on Hajj through parts of Europe and dispersed huge amounts of gold (Of which he had no idea the value of) and crashed the economy of several states along the way lol

She is African berbers are without a doubt Africans they were in northern Africa before most Arabs and blacks @John O -

They are white Genetics wise no other way to get blue eyes/ blond hair besides serious mutation

@Attrition in the desert Oh yeah, I've heard of him, but only throught the context of pro-white media. "The richest man in the history of the world was African".

I like how they will say "We can't actually measure his wealth" and "He was the richest man of all time" in the same paragraph.

What was your train of thought yesterday, though? Why did you bring him up?

We were talking about the ethnic multiplicity of North Africa, Mansa Musa is perhaps a perfect metaphor for the vast riches of an extremely wealthy region being in the hands of people too uncivilized to appreciate or capitalize on it.

If we think about North Africa during the time of the Punic wars or the Ptolemies or even When the Bishop of Alexandria ran everything as a quasi-roman theocracy it was pretty based. I think the region has potential to rise above the ooga booga and tap the vast resources of the dark continent.

With white people of course

I'm always suspicious of the veracity of the stories of the superiority of the white man and the savagery of the black man. The question here is, if they didn't recognize the value of gold, where did they get so much of it? They probably didn't trade it, which means they probably sunk huge amounts of man power into mines. Why would they do that if they thought it was worthless?

The reason I question these stories is because it's very important for us to stay grounded in reality. There's a reason why the Hoteps are laughed at by everyone, and it's not jealousy

Recognize is a relative term when we talk about how much value mansa musa (in this instance) found in gold. Its my belief that , in terms of the periphery of Africa, not the interior, that most of these African ideals of society and economy are simply a simulacra they produce based on interaction with the Arabs.

Mining is not a worthwhile operation unless you put the products of your labor towards weapons or tradeables. Why would you dedicate huge amounts of resources towards digging massive pits in the ground unless you could do something with what you pull out?

For the purposes of Islamic traditions that had been instilled on them. The impetus for this entire event, is once again a hajj.

Mali was by no means a vassal state, but I can see the enterprise of gold production to be completely developed on the idea of promoting and appeasing the ideas of piety the Mali people adopted

I can dig it

When a small portion of you on the ivory coast literally wuz kangz

As gay as it might sound, you can't always compare European civilization to African ones year to year. There are some quite interesting things the various super-Saharan kings came up with. The epiothian civilization for instance, they were pretty advanced for their time.

Absolutely

Africa is clearly down rn, but it absolutely had it's heyday. We shouldn't assume that white people will continue on their current trajectory. We should recognize that, even if we beat displacement, disgenics is real

@John O -. Makes a good point about inspecting things in an wider array, even if it feels relativist sometimes.

I've been finding some interesting parallels while investigating Arab civilization immediately after the conquests of Mohamed and the foundation of the Abbasid caliphate. While undoubtedly an advanced society, their rulers thought that they could benefit by importing the (((Persians))) to help them run their new state. The Arabs of course had never had a civilization at this level before and thought that the successors of Cyrus and Darius could help them engineer a better society. However after two centuries the Large Persian minority eventually overtook the majority of governorships and fractured the caliphate into it's second (Ummayid) period. Moral of the story, It's better to organically grow a state rather than looking for fast ways to advance at the cost of your ethos and people.

Absolutely. A similar situation is described in (I can't remember the name of the book, but it's very popular in IE), where the mechanism from which the left took power was by volunteering until the government depended on them. We also see this in the fact that a lot of our medical community is foreign. That's a huge position of influence, and if we continue to allow outsiders to scale to the upper echelons of society, we'll quickly lose control

Also, the tech industry, another hugely influential field

Same tactic the ADL used to control the FBI, Volunteering their database until the fbi got it's budget cut and had to rely on who the adl deemed a threat.

Providing assistance in fat times make an entity become dependent on you in lean times.

Right, that's exactly what I was talking about

That being said, we can definitely use this tactic ourselves through nice guy identitarianism.

I think we need significantly more members before we can do something like that