What trash is that

I think he’s just saying a whole lot of gobbledygook @Solid Sar

are you christian too or something else?

@Deleted User ok can you prove it

@Crazed Shotgun no atheist ive ever met says that

Ive mostly seen theists play that card

@Solid Sar just my sect.

We just have more doctrine than most Christian sects, which is why my personal belief is that The New Law (New testament) overrides the Old Law (Old testament) unless otherwise specified or spoken about by Christ.

Your personal belief is like, mainstream christian

Lol

I'm not a Christian either

@Shalopy while some may find it mainstream, it was a belief I came to from my study of scripture and prayerful thought.

Good. Then you ended up on the same conclusion.

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What decides which heaven kingdom you spend eternity in?

What do you mean by "which heaven kingdom"?

The chart says there are three

Oh ok

The level of adhearance to the plan of salvation, whether or not you were a member of the church, if you were immoral and caused suffering in this life. Stuff like that.

Notice that there is no hell however, no eternal suffering.

@Solid Sar

With the exception of outer darkness, that is reserved for those who knew Christ, saw him as the son of God, understood his role as a Messiah, yet still denied him. As of now, only two people (with the exception of Lucifer and his minions) will enter Outer darkness. One is Judas as he betrayed Christ despite knowing his purpose, and the other is King David for breaking his vow to follow God but chose to abuse his power and become an adulterer and kill the husband of the woman he layed with.

Are these permanent? Or is their ways to move from one to the other (up or down)?

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@Maksim

you know what this isnt the right chat for this

uhh

Ill post it in ujgmmmm

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<@&588707615643795456> Daily Question ✝

- What is your opinion on freedom biblically? Are we called to be free, are there limits, or should people be strictly controlled?

1 Corinthians 6:12

**1 Corinthians 6:12 - King James Version (KJV)**

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<12> All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. ```

Galatians 5:13

**Galatians 5:13 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

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<13> As for you, my friends, you were called to be free. But do not let this freedom become an excuse for letting your physical desires control you. Instead, let love make you serve one another. ```

We are given freedom by God but we must not be corrupted by this gift

1 Corinthians 6:12

**1 Corinthians 6:12 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

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Use Your Bodies for God's Glory

<12> Someone will say, "I am allowed to do anything." Yes; but not everything is good for you. I could say that I am allowed to do anything, but I am not going to let anything make me its slave. ```

A man is given his agency so that he can choose what life to live, to follow Christ or not. That freedom is a gift but we are expected to accept the consequences for our actions. You cannot sin and feign ignorance, look to Cain to see how well that played out.

Ah

That raises the question of what of the people whom have never heard of Christ

To which I say

Romans 1:18-20

**Romans 1:18-20 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

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Human Guilt

<18> God's anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known. <19> God punishes them, because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God himself made it plain. <20> Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all! ```

I believe that religous freedom is important, specifically the freedom to practice, since it allows Christians to follow their beliefs as they see fit. However, if a sect openly commits crimes against nature they are subject to the rulers of the land.

@Crazed Shotgun what do u think of people who accuse Christianity of just being a money scam

Depends on what they mean, are they accusing a particular sect/church or the faith as a whole?

As a whole

2 Corinthians 10:2

**2 Corinthians 10:2 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

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<2> I beg you not to force me to be harsh when I come; for I am sure I can deal harshly with those who say that we act from worldly motives. ```

Then they are in the wrong, people give finances to churches so that they may continue to maintain their place of worship.

Absolutely

I don't doubt however that there are wolves in sheep clothing among us

Joel Osteen is an example

There may be some Televangelists who sell their products, and that guy who said the world would end on 12 21 12

Those are scammers, but it is the fault of unquestioning sheep that become swindled by cunning predators, not Christ.

Allow your faith to guide you, not blind you

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

**2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 - Good News Translation (GNT)**

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<3> Do not let anyone deceive you in any way. For the Day will not come until the final Rebellion takes place and the Wicked One appears, who is destined to hell. <4> He will oppose every so-called god or object of worship and will put himself above them all. He will even go in and sit down in God's Temple and claim to be God. ```

tfw when an egotistical athiest will be the bringer of the end times @Crazed Shotgun

KJV sounds way better

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

@Crazed Shotgun to each their own, I prefer a version I where I can fully understand what each word means

I want to learn german so I can read an earlier translation of the bible, I think the less we translate and closer we get to the original text, the better context provided and interpretations found.

I got one to dismiss any person calling Christ a kike on a stick.

Stop goddamn pinging my ass

Remove your reaction from the rolls channel @Deleted User

Wtf

@Crazed Shotgun After reading some of your posts in here. Three questions.
1. Are you LDS?
2. What makes you believe in your interpretation of Christianity?
3. What would you say to a non-member that is tentatively interested in the church but is reluctant to dive head-first into it or otherwise take a "leap of faith"?
I've found many aspects of the church appealing for the longest time, and yet my mainstream Protestant upbringing heavily conflicts with the tenets outlined by the LDS. Nonetheless, its doctrines make intuitive sense to me, and of all religions/sects I *wish* were true, the LDS comes out on top. I just think there's a scarcity of cogent arguments/evidence for the church, maybe you can prove me wrong.

Yes, I'm Lds. I keep it mainly under wraps due to alot of anti-lds sentiment in alot of political servers. I believe in my scriptures and doctrine for many reasons, Most are from the Church's stance on how important family values are. Another is that all male members are given the priesthood so that they may help lead their families in times of strife, be that by giving blessings or through other prayerful listening to the Holy Spirit. I see the priesthood as a valuable tool to bring forth the values of Zion as it is described in the bible, not by the rabbi in the Babylon of Israel. Zion is not just some nation, it is a place of righteousness that comes from within all worthy and loyal members. If you are intrested in the church, I would advise going to your local LDS church, also known as a ward, and ask to have the missionaries stop by to help you gain a better understanding. I understand the sentiment of wanting to make sure that the path is right before taking any kind of risk, I was raised to question everything. The best advice I would give would be to attend church a few times, read The holy bible in addition to the book of mormon and pray for an answer to God to see if it is right. The Lord will answer your prayers in due time. If it doesn't fit, then so be it. I'm not gonna force my faith on anyone, but if you want to learn more, I encourage reaching out to the missionaries.

@Gust

"Babylon of Israel"

the LDS is open in its direct denial of monotheism

claiming that there are three gods, rather then trinitarians, whom at least attempt to create an argument for monotheism

LDS is polytheistic?

From what I've read it does not sound Christian

@Crazed Shotgun I'm appauled about how LDS thinks about the Trinity

"God has a father"

"God has a mother"

This is a cult

" A Council of the Gods. In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it."
Joseph Smith

The book of Mormon is literal heresy

@Crazed Shotgun How do you not realize the book or Mormon is directly contradictory to the Bible and is heretical

Mormons must be oppressed and shutdown in order to stop this heresy

@G a b e גבריאל not just 3 gods

Infinitely many Gods

"If we should take a million of worlds like this and number their particles, we should find that there are more Gods than there are particles of matter in those worlds... One world has a personal God or Father, and the inhabitants thereof worship the attributes of that God, another world has another, and they worship His attributes... "

Orson Pratt, a Mormon "Apostle"

Literal Heresy

LDS is not Christian. Rejects most core tentents of Christianity.

"but Mormonism is muh based"

@Maksim Even worse

@Crazed Shotgun Thanks for the advice. I know what you mean, maybe I should have DMed you. The anti-LDS sentiment is strong, and that ironically makes it all the more alluring. Still, I was looking more to see if you had any philosophical/apologetic arguments that you found cogent. But, this will do, I suppose. It is a byproduct of the Second Great Awakening, after all, so you can't expect some kind of Thomist parallel.

This is specifically why I refuse to have a conversation about my faith with any individual, it is nothing but attacks. Rather than a conversation, it is a mud flinging contest to see who can attack the other most efficiently. I'm tired of hearing the same arguments over and over. If anyone wishes to seek out answers to inquiries, feel free to PM me but if you just want to use "gotcha" arguments and belittle my faith, please locate the nearest toliet and place your face into the bowl.

@everyone -Daily Question

How much of a role does religion play in society? Would it be better for society to have an established religion to push the society in one direction or another? What religion would you put in power if you could?

none

the government should do everything it can to remove the stain of religion

The state should be ruled in accordance with religion, namely Islam

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@Perception but why

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do you mean why Islam or why theocracy?