Protestantism just isn't sincere tbh, it was a looting operation which became an operation to give licence to certain sins

If were talking about misconceptions here, Luther was excommunicated because he wouldn't budge that communion is the literal body and blood of Christ

Not because of some "looting operation", he wanted to work out these issues behind the scenes but the corrupt people in charge at the time just weren't having it

@AlGoreRhythm thats what im gonna do, my parents are atheists

ooof

That fuckin blows dude

There's nothing to talk about if he's wrong

He was just a horny brainlet, the German Princes realised they could pillage church property under his new faith, then forced the conversion of their subjects

is attending a protestant service as a catholic heretical?

@NormanLord He wasn't wrong though. The person and small section of the Catholic Church he was feuding with was going against Catholic canon

He was literally correcting them and calling them out on their bullshit and they kicked him out. Martin Luther was a Catholic and part of the church until they excommunicated him, he wasn't some rando coming in telling people to change shit to ***his*** beliefs

And lutheranism doesn't allow fornication so idk where you're getting the "horny" part from

@BabySnaps yes

@BabySnaps yes

@RetardO ExtremeO the horny part is where a priest wanted to fuck a nun so he turned Europe on its head to get some coochie

Also what is divorce and contraception if not incentivising fornication lol

"you can smoke this weed but you're not allowed get high"

@NormanLord you're thinking of the king of England. He did that and had nothing to do with Luther lmao

Luther fucked a Nun

Did you not know this??

@NormanLord you're thinking of the king of England. He did that and had nothing to do with Luther lmao

If you're gonna h8 on the prots at least get the right denomination LOL

In an area with shit internet if its sending it twice

anglican != lutheran

anglican church was founded solely because the king wanted a divorce

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katharina_von_Bora

He was not a sincere or serious priest, he broke his solemnly taken vows

His entire theology is just post hoc rationalisation of the sins he committed

He had 99 minimum stated heretical views, the papacy has no reason to take the ravings of a priest who's broken his vows as legitimate

who would win:
centuries old doctrine supported by the government of the nation vs. 1 shitpost

<:smug:402400327313391616>

Also i dont think you want to go down the path of "this person's actions delegitamizes the Church and doctrine" if you're gadolig lmao

no where on the wiki does it say he fucked her b4 marriage

Also, he didnt "break his vows" because they excommunicated him. All the stuff you are citing came after the fact

So yes, they should have listened to a priest, that hadnt broken his vows or done anything wrong at that point, that was telling them to stop going against whats clearly stated by Christ Himself, as well as the Catholic church

Ur just salty not because you know what happened and disagree with it, but because "grrr im SUPPOSED to be!"

Are you talking about indulgences?

No. That's not why he was excommunicated

The main issue was over communion

That he didn't believe in transubstantiation?

He did

The priest he got into a with feud didn't

Every Anglican I know here doesn't tho? So how did Protestants end up not believing?

So you're saying he was excommunicated for holding the church's position on transubstantiation?

Or at least what I understand the church's position to be

I apologise for being in error on the chronology of Luther's marriage btw, my mistake

Though I still wouldn't consider an oath taken before God for life to be rescinded by excommunication personally

Well Anglicanism is a completely different thing to Lutheranism

It's its own thing

What's the major difference?

And yeah, that's why he as excommunicated

Well Lutheranism began after Luther was kicked out of the Catholic Church. And I believe Anglicanism started when the King of England wanted to divorce his wife, but couldn't do to doctrine

So he just fractured off and made his own church

I totally agree Anglicanism is a farse

Through Anglicanism the rest of the protestant sects branched off, but Lutheranism has always just been its own thing

Like we have Latin mass, believe in transubstantiation, dont allow women in clergy, our pastors have to study The Bible as well as Catholic scholars in seminary school for 6 years

Lutherans get a bad rep when grouped in with prots tbh

Well I apologise for any misconceptions I may have had, I still find the theological positions of Luther (as I understand them) to be wrong, but any confusion I have probably arises from Anglicans in Ireland being referred to as "prods"

Well really any Christian non Catholic is described as Protestant here

It's an ethnic and cultural distinction as much as anything else

It's fine lol, no hard feelings. Honestly, i feel that a lot of resentment between sects just comes from misconceptions

Like i have no problem with Catholics, and whenever someone says something dumb about "worshipping Mary" or "praying to saints" I correct them

I do still have major issues with Sola Fides but I'll leave that for another time, thanks for letting me know that about Lutheran's, only ones I've ever met are Germans who were lapsed

No problem man

At the end of the day I just don't want any of ye going to hell

Except @a dim goon

Well i appreciate that lol

<:smug:402400327313391616>

Wait ye have Latin mass?

Still?

Yeah lol

It's hardly the same as the Catholic Latin mass though surely?

Unless your's changed after vat 2 it should be

A lot of my disgust at Anglicans comes from the fact their mass is basically the priest riffing about whatever pops into his head and picking a random quote out of context to justify it

Yeah that's bad

A lot of low end prot pastors just come up with stuff and tie it into Scripture somehow

Instead of vice versa

Ngl I heard one tie feminism, harry potter and the Bible into one sermon when I was in sixth year (end of American high school)

That was two years before Trump

When that really became a meme

when the female pastor starts twerking #JustProtThings

when the female pastor starts twerking #JustProtThings

when the female pastor starts twerking #JustProtThings

Wait sorry it was star wars actually

Same thing tbh

Where I live most protestant churches are really making a mockery of how we ought to worship God, it's one of the reasons why I'm drawn so much to the Catholic chuch

And the younger generations are really falling for charasmatic stuff

*we need more spirit led worship mannn, now let's sing this Hillsong pop tune for 15 minutes*

Protestants gay

cant decide between gadolig or ordodogs though

Lutherans are about the only good prots, but i perfectly understand if someone picks Catholicism or Orthodox

Yeah Confessional Lutherans are the only prots that havent spiraled into retardation

The Baptist Church I go to has decent doctrine but the worship is going to slide into retard land once the younger generation takes over

And I think to take God seriously the worship/liturgy must also be taken seriously

I don't care if people want to listen to Christian pop music at home but church should remain sacred

Baptists just seem to really oversimplify everything and its basically just watered down Christianity

Im hoping to use that to my advantage

When I convert I'll just use really emotional language to my parents

They don't normally frown upon if you get up and switch denominations

However they do if you go to Catholicism

**REEEEEEE STOP WORSHIPPING MARY REEEEEEEE TRADITIONS OF MEN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE**

Basically yeah

*lol Catholics? you mean pagans*

OOPS

Baptists more like spiritual semites

I unironically don't know whether to go gadolig or rocor

I asked Classical Theist a question on twitter but he didn't answer <:brainlet:402673657391874059> I've been dabbed on

The Catholic Church is everywhere up here

There are Orthodox Churches and I am intrigued by Orthodoxy but I don't even know if they do stuff in English

Begome gadolig

Yeah part of the issue is the cultural barrier with Orthodoxy, but it seems like it requires less mental gymnastics to understand. With papal infallibility I find it hard to believe the church hasn't contradicted itself, and im trying to get someone more learned than me to explain how it hasnt

Orthodox services are probably going to be in the native ethnic languages, but Western Rite is in latin I think

@Mephisto I know an Orthodox Priest I might be able to get you in contact with

@Mephisto Thankfully someone more learned does exist and it's @Scooter2000

what do we do about the heresy fellas

anyone have any links to good christian or catholic servers

I was talking about this in general for a little bit, but I'm looking to convert. My parents have been atheist/agnostic degenerates and that's how I've lived for most of my childhood/teenage years. The big problem here is that I live in California, and all of the churches here are extremely fucked. Almost all of them brag about how they have a homo pastor. What should I do?

Should I still attend anyways or keep looking?

>pastor

thats the first problem

go to a catholic church

even if its filled with mexicans

its better to get the true thing and not a watered down cult 500 years old at best

Are the Mexicans bearable? A lot of Mexicans who went to my high school were catholic and degenerate.

>pastor
okay this is epic

mexicans that actually go to church are either bearable or mexiboomers

@TradPatriot Depending on where you live there are some very trad churches if you know where to look

@Mephisto @NormanLord What's the trouble now

the trouble was i was trying to see how people who aren't sede or sspx view the church's infallible statements post vatican II. I see the church as having contradicted itself by changing the mass among other things and don't know what the argument about this is. Is it a heretical interpretation of an infallible statement that's still valid? Or were parts of vatican II that were interpreted that way not actually heretical?
Im basically just trying to come up with a logically consistent way of viewing all of this and its difficult @Scooter2000

there haven't been any

vatican 2 wasnt infallible either
no dogmas were defined
no anathmas issued

well one argument that an ortho guy gave me is that Pius V said the mass cannot change in Quo Primum which he says was infallible
So if V2 isnt infallible what is it then, because someone said it was unfailing magisterium

So do you view the mass changes as valid or invalid?

Lol well that's not what Quo Primum said

Quo Primum said that every Priest had the right to celebrate the Tridentine liturgy in perpetuity

Paul 6 in his correspondance with Archbishop Lefebvre argued that his legislation Novus Ordo Missae Romanum had abrogated (meaning replaced) Quo Primum

Now whether or not that is true today is entirely irrelevent because as per Benedict 16's Summorum Pontificum the Latin Rite has the right to practice the Liturgy in both the Tridentine (extraordianry) and Pauline (Novus Ordo) forms

Now I don't know what the hell "unfailing magisterium is" but I'll tell you what I tell everyone else about this

John 23rd said this was not an infallible council
Paul 6 said that this was not an infallible council
Benedict 16 said that wherever the council appeared to contradict previous teaching go with the previous teaching, furthermore he stated that changes had actually been made however he argued that the changes that the council had made (such as on disposition to other religions) had never been dogmatically defined anyway, and that the teachings of the councils weren't dogmatic either making them a matter of opinion. This is sort of the sticking point of the Holy See's with the SSPX, the SSPX say they can't do that but the Holy See says the SSPX cannot tell Catholics especially not the Holy See that they cannot believe in the teachings from say *Dignitatis Humanae* because these are issues of private judgement with no dogmatic teaching

Moreover

Quo Primum is not an infallible statement of anything it's a Papal Bull which is an article of Canon Law

When we talk about encyclicals or bulls or anything like that, these documents are only infallible insofar as they are communicating infallible definitions which are either defined by Popes speaking Ex Cathedra or Councils which have been given the authority of infallibility by the Pope

Okay thank you this is the first answer I've gotten which hasn't been full of sedeposting. This is very helpful, I appreciate it

You're welcome. A lot of the Sede polemmics are from a different era where these questions were more open

Today they are pretty open and shut, I mean since Vatican 1 we've had very strict definitions of what constitutes Church infallibility so Catholics should have no excuse in being unable to explain it

Thanks, I will look into all of this more, its good to have a consistent answer though

Our Ecclesiology and doctrine on when and how the Church is infallible is a hell of a lot more consistent than the Orthodox have it's a damn shame that they catch so many Catholics off guard with their polemmics

Yeah it seems a lot more bottom up than top down with them, with their idea of theosis and whatnot

Catholic Ecclesiology is quite simple really, the true Church is whoever is in visible communion with the Pope of Rome, anyone who is barred from that communion or refuses it is outside the Church. Orthodox Ecclesiology is so much more convoluted it's not clear at all to me why they should even consider the Latin Church schismatic at all

The centralized authority of the Catholic Church as well as the clarity in its doctrine always appealed to me more. The Orthodox stuff only appeals to me for superficial reasons and looks appealing when i have severe doubts, but I'm never really able to accept any of it
I'm going to bed now but thanks again for the help, night

The Orthodox have an amazing ascetic tradition

They have a severely underdeveloped intellectual tradition

@Mephisto Well we believe in theosis too we just typically don't call it such. Deification is the word I hear the most.

The Orthodox and the Catholic faith is not nearly so different as people would have you think. Where we differ is in Ecclesiology which is to say what constitutes the Church and how the Church functions.

I could be wrong but I thought Catholics believed deification occurs after death whereas Orthodox believe Theosis is a process that occurs across one's life. Because of that relationship with God they believe that the Church can be determined by those who truly have the relationship and thats essentially how they get away with not having a pope or central authority. The ultimate authority of their Church doesnt come from infallible leadership but the sum of individuals undergoing theosis with God. It sounded not too unlike protestantism which is part of what turned me off to it

can i get a quick rundown on jesuits

homos

Is meditating solely for focus blasphemy?

No

Can't see why it would be

Went to Latin mass for the first time today, it was chad and the priest was a chad too

<:chad:402359917819985931> <:grug:420405237019443203>

Go to mass fellas

Fellas

Big feel right now. The qt at work I’ve been flirting with for the last two weeks just told me that she’s ‘pansexual’ and now I want nothing to do with her. Hurts though; we get along great, my type, the first girl I’ve started to develop feelings for in a long time.

Anyone got any good articles, bible verses or literally anything at all to help me rage against modernity and cheer me up

When I read this I immediately thought of Galatians 4:16

What means... that I shouldn’t judge her for telling me?

omg then I come home from the beach to my new roommate cooking with a literal 50 year old black woman

wtf is happening to me

Women are full of shit I would just tell ask her to explain what pansexual means and then just say "so your not into guys then"

Judge by her reaction then

Then maybe say well you're Catholic so all that stuff seems pretty overly complicated for your tastes

And judge by the reaction you get there

Have some pity for the girl she's been brainwashed since she was young, but if she gets defensive just deescalate for workplace harmony and move on

That's my advice anyway @Polybius

Yeah she could just be larping as 'pansexual' just absolutely crap on being a pansexual and see how it goes

best case scenario she backtracks and says 'well im not really pansexual', worst case scenario you own the libs

@NormanLord I get what you’re saying and understand that women, especially young impressionable women are fickle and often times just need someone else with strong beliefs to latch onto. I just can’t possibly see it being worth the effort. This is a psych/soc major going to college in a major city. Most likely already firmly entrenched in these kind of beliefs and constantly being reinforced by her environment and peer group.

@shinjitsu worst case scenario is I get fired from my job. If we weren’t coworkers I’d have already followed this course of action.

oh i missed 'qt at work'

could always just question further down that line. are you anti-monogamy, etc.

if you ended up dating her, her larp as a 'pansexual' doesn't end up meaning anything if you guys end up monogamous

i'd say don't drop it as too much work cause i did that once with a girl the type you're talking about, the psych stuff, all liberal on every issue. now she is in a solid relationship and not a degen thot and I regret just chalking it up to her probably being unchangeable

daily reminder you can NOT turn a hoe into a housewife

@shinjitsu Hmm. I guess I see your point. Just have to put her on the back burner and continue looking and stay open to a low percent chance paying off maybe.

@a dim goon Well said.

I just want an innocent Catholic gf to teach me about the religion and to have my children is that really so much to ask damn

Gluttony is a sin my guy.

no shit posting in chirstian chat

<:monkaS:416697853621174292>

Lads. What is the true bible? Is the KJV bible pozzed or good?

Get the Douay Rheims

^

NRSV Catholic Edition is probably good if you want one thats easier to read than the Douay Rheims, but yeah Douay Rheims is the Catholic equivalent of the KJV

I was recommended the Ronald Knox translation as a first time reader. Anyone know anything about it?

I don't know anything about it, I read the New Testament NABRE which is supposed to be a very heretical and pozzed one, but it was easy so I didn't care

I'm going to do a readthrough of the whole thing using one of the better ones

In Argentina on the 4th of June, Congress voted in favor of a law that would make abortion completely legal up to the 4th month or the 9th if the baby is a downie or the mother claims danger to "physical, psychological or social health", whatever that means. It was up to the Senate to decide if the law got passed or repealed in August.
On July, it seemed all odds were against the unborn, with the government bribing or threatening Senators into voting for the law.
Then, there was the yearly peregrination to the cathedral of Luján. Pic releted, millions went on foot through a country as long as the distance between London and Nigeria, including most bishops of the country, and they prayed to the Virgin Mary for the sake of the Argentine unborn.
In August the Senate voted and despite what the government and (((minister of health))) tried to push, the abortion law was repealed.

Thanks, Mary.

good use of ((())) friend @mate888

all of the echoing senators voted in favor of abortion

i wonder why

im not ashamed to say this but people that voted for abortion should collectively be punished country by country

Gulags when

sadly never, but if europe continues going all abort and import on its population they'll eventually get beheaded anyway

nuke ireland btw

Shut up mutt

@Joe the boomer make your thumbnails something other than scantily clad hot girls

had to dredge the doldrums with that one

last nights show was not virtuous

it was a show for gamers

very F

joe

@Joe the boomer change the thumbnail back to ashton whittie

@zimthomas sup

I am reading the Douay Rheims currently and I wouldn't consider a"harder read" compared to another translation. I'm not sure I underatand what you mean by that @Mephisto

@Joe the boomer

woops

this is the christian channel

sedevacantist more like sedevacautist haha gotem

what does the bible say about banging your sister in law? asking for a friend

only if she has a dick

Repent

Sinners

its not me someone else in this server did that 🙊 🙈

>banging your sister in law
>fornicating with your brother's wife
My guess is the Bible doesn't say anything nice

No it's not his brothers wife

It's his wife's sister

and she's 15 lul

teen pussy is just a meme

Leave this channel fornicators

@sbbu marry her first faggoto

It's not me

mfw i know who it is <:smug:402400327313391616>

<:smug:402400327313391616>

<:smug:402400327313391616>

>she's 15

ok

so

wait three years

2 l8 m8

Also, doesn't matter how old she is the guy shouldn't be fucking around on his wife

the dude is married?

oh its his wife's sister

i misread

i thought it was his brother's wife's sister