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Whyd everyone just leave vc?

2018-01-15 08:00:58 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Not me what's it called

already hijacked talking points

yup\

SUBVERSIVE

yup

lol

he wasn't talking about recently he was talking about a long time ago

LOL israel was for the 2 state propositions

lol the jews just lovvved the UN partition plan

hahaha

hahahaha

this kikeish fucking circular reasoning

holy fuck i hate jews

interesting country list lol

fuck kikes

nukes created by einstein lmlfao

what is this autism

imagine being so literally autistic you say einstein is responsible for nukes

i cant anymore

nick is absolutely destroying this kid

he has said nothing other than 'that's debunked'

2018-01-16 07:40:47 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #memetics]  

Yeah they are

2018-01-16 07:40:53 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #memetics]  

Kinda mean lol

Imagine believing in a God and thinking he created shit tier people knowingly

Doesn't get more autistic than that

Like broseph said all predestination is a retarded attempt at reconciling free will with an omniscient God

Do you even know what Calvinism is lmao

So why would he create shit tier people then

Happens when someone just used "uh I'm not God" as an actual argument

Or I don't have a positive assertion to a God I should say

>can't defend Calvinism going beyond 1 layer deep

You realize any ideology that you differ with could use the exact same argument you have. I could argue for gods existence far better than you because I have read these religious texts

So no argument for Calvinism?

You're making a conclusion that requires a jump from there that you're not justifying though

Let's say yes completely given agency for the sake of the argument

Wait hold up I wanna hear his reasoning

This is my problem with what you're saying

In Calvinism it 100% is the fault of God that people do these things. Both collectivizing and being individually immoral

It's why I don't like Calvinism

No they shouldn't be because predestination is wrong, Calvinism is based on predestination and that is that

By extension it's wrong

Sure but you can't make any claim that's not the same as a contradicting

You're talking about 2 things were consider that are mutually exclusive

Larp you need to look up what predestination is.

Okay sure a plan but that's not what you said originally Thomas

Predestination is the idea that some people all people are created and it is predestined whether or not they will ascend. This is 100% in contradiction with free will

Intent isn't what predestination says

You can't just use the word in a different sense

Predestination says the destination of the soul is predetermined.

As in you either ascend to heaven or don't.

Yeah I agree with you when we talk about intent 100%

We were originally talking about Calvinism though that's where the discussion sprang up

Yeah Simon that's the thing though you are saying free will doesn't exist if it's predetermined whether or not they will go to heaven. Either that or they can do ANYTHING they want in life and still ascend

IQ is both but this is irrelevant

It's only to a degree though

I highly suggest you read the gay science. He goes into everything we're talking about much better than j can

Okay you could argue that but no Christians will agree with you

I tend to believe that but for the sake of the argument we assumed agency is real

I'm not saying we can or have to know

I'm saying if you believe in Calvinism you believe that either free will doesn't exist, or that people who are going to be going to heaven can do whatever immoral thin they want and still get in

Calvinism believes that a soul is destined for heaven or hell determined at or prior to birth

meaning you either believe
1: Free will does not exist and this person will not be immoral.
2: It does not matter if this person is immoral in life, free will can exist, but they will do whatever they want and still get in.

What you will try to do now is say that it's number 1 but the character traits of the individual are the ones that determine how they act but you can't do this

It means that you can though

and if you can there is no way to say that this person is predestined for heaven or hell

unless the person's actions don't matter

These are non-arguments

You can't say that and still have free will

because it is determined *prior to their actions* whether or not they go to heaven

This is just logically false

you can not give free will while remaining omniscient

Because if it is known what you will do, then it is predetermined what you will do, and you have no agency

no you are just flat out wrong here there isn't even an argument to make.

No that's wrong. This is accepted by wrong by every philosopher even religious ones

No it doesn't matter. If he **knows** what actions you will tkae prior to you making them. Then there is **no** way to say you could have chosen otherwise.

This is not up for debate, this is widely accepted as problem by people you probably agree with

In this scenario free will is an illusion

It's why Calvinism (specifically predestination) is wrong and where these disagreements come from

*possible actions* is not the same as saying knowing which actions the person will take

Prior to you making them?

Just yes or no prior to you making them, does God know what decision you will make? In your opinion

because the soul is predestined to heaven or hell

Yes or no, does God know what action you will make before you make it?

This is literally the central tenant of Calvinism

Specifically here though, if God knows what action will be taken, free will doesn't exist.

And then calvinism is fine and a working theory

if the decision is predetermined, then you don't have free will.

Again this is something everyone has agreed on for hundred and hundreds of years

Because if one has free will there is no set decision yet....

Yeah it's an appeal to majority when you disregard the most fundamental and obvious logic that exists.

Yup because to say a decision is known before it's made with 100% certainty directly implies that it is predetermined, and not decided by free will.

2018-01-16 23:15:03 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #suggestions]  

i am a benevolent shieldbrother

2018-01-17 00:19:52 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #suggestions]  

if i make it u make me arist?

2018-01-17 00:29:52 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #suggestions]  

tell me that is not god tier

2018-01-18 05:51:41 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

Quality books

2018-01-18 05:52:03 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

Nichomachean ethics and Kants critiques are the best

As long as you either say no free will or no predestination

2018-01-18 20:20:08 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

What are the others

2018-01-18 20:22:01 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

Art of zen?

2018-01-18 20:22:23 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

Oh oops it is way I read that a while back

2018-01-18 20:23:03 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

I wasn't a fan of the exposition half where he explained the history of it

2018-01-18 20:23:06 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

Yeah

2018-01-18 20:24:18 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

Yeah I read that one way back when I didn't care much for history

2018-01-18 20:25:54 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

Yeah same. I really gotta brush up on my history of the Middle East and Europe though

2018-01-18 20:26:11 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

Just picked up that book Against our better judgement

2018-01-18 23:55:01 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Too lewd

2018-01-18 23:57:51 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Never

2018-01-18 23:58:57 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Nope

2018-01-18 23:59:27 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

My most recent anime was a pretty gay one but it was good. Your lie in April

2018-01-18 23:59:56 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Ikr it's true

2018-01-19 07:33:17 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Abortion doesn't hurt

2018-01-19 07:33:22 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

For now

2018-01-19 07:33:26 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Much

2018-01-19 07:34:06 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

The contraceptive stat is ridiculous to use

2018-01-19 07:36:07 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You don't get to use contraception for your numbers

2018-01-19 07:37:31 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Because it's a separate argument

2018-01-19 07:37:40 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Abortion helps whites demographically

2018-01-19 07:37:53 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Abortive contraceptives?

2018-01-19 07:37:59 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Meaning

2018-01-19 07:38:14 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Abortive contraceptive is an oxymoron

2018-01-19 07:38:38 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Oh yeah I count that as just abortion

2018-01-19 07:38:49 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

I thought you were talking about condoms

2018-01-19 07:38:55 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Source

2018-01-19 07:39:15 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Sales don't imply use

2018-01-19 07:40:31 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Abortions are massively over representative of blacks

2018-01-19 07:40:54 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

According to what

2018-01-19 07:41:33 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

I'm not arguing that abortion is okay. I'm arguing the replacement thing you said. It's just completely wrong

2018-01-19 07:41:44 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Yes it is

2018-01-19 07:41:54 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You're counting only the white abortions

2018-01-19 07:41:58 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Lmao

2018-01-19 07:42:51 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

So what abortion affects other races more than whites

2018-01-19 07:42:57 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Without it demographics would be worse

2018-01-19 07:43:05 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

This is objectively true, and doesn't mean abortion is fine

2018-01-19 07:43:29 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

But the fact remains it's technically helping (to what degree I have no idea) demographics

2018-01-19 07:45:15 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

There would be more black babies too lmfao

2018-01-19 07:45:25 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

If abortion was illegal it would be illegal for all

2018-01-19 07:45:38 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Wrong

2018-01-19 07:46:16 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

That's a retarded assumption

2018-01-19 07:46:53 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Saying they wouldn't keep getting pregnant is a retarded assumption that you're basing off nothing

2018-01-19 07:47:45 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You think they're getting abortions like 3 times a year? No

2018-01-19 07:48:03 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

We have around 800k abortions ever hear in the US and around half are blacks

2018-01-19 07:48:25 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

This is 400k abortions /45M blacks

2018-01-19 07:48:54 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Yeah cause that's stopped them in the past

2018-01-19 07:49:00 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

And who says they are averaging 5 abortions

2018-01-19 07:49:15 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Can you Give any numbers or do you just guess and make things up

2018-01-19 07:49:26 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Yeah

2018-01-19 07:50:04 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You are just objectively wrong if abortion was illegal it would make a lower demographics of whites

2018-01-19 07:50:20 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Wrong

2018-01-19 07:50:29 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

How do you know whites wouldn't have less sex and less kids?

2018-01-19 07:50:40 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You're guessing

2018-01-19 07:50:47 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

No we have all sorts of safety nets

2018-01-19 07:50:57 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Wrong

2018-01-19 07:51:04 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Maybe slightly

2018-01-19 07:51:28 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Same with blacks

2018-01-19 07:51:36 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Almost equal numbers

2018-01-19 07:51:50 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Source something

2018-01-19 07:51:55 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You talk out of your ass

2018-01-19 07:52:07 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

And make assumptions you can't justify then change the topic

2018-01-19 07:52:26 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Same with whites dude

2018-01-19 07:52:33 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You can't say to what degree this would play out

2018-01-19 07:52:39 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Holy fuck you are literally retarded

2018-01-19 07:53:23 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You are telling me blacks, the people who leave heir kids 70% of the time would stop fucking each other and making babies when they get on welfare because abortion isn't legal?

2018-01-19 07:53:41 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

No you are so wrong it's not even funny

2018-01-19 07:54:13 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Are you joking or are you actually this stupid

2018-01-19 07:54:36 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Because there weren't fucking mountains of money they could count on from entitlement programs for having kids

2018-01-19 07:55:28 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

I'm not sure how you've been talking for 15 minutes and haven't given a single figure

2018-01-19 07:55:31 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

To justify anything

2018-01-19 07:55:50 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

I said source

2018-01-19 07:56:02 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

There are 800k abortions a year

2018-01-19 07:56:04 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Half are blacks

2018-01-19 07:56:22 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

If we cut all abortion the black % of population would go up over time as a direct result

2018-01-19 07:56:33 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

I am in graduate school

2018-01-19 07:56:39 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You are not justifying anything

2018-01-19 07:56:48 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

No

2018-01-19 07:56:56 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You are objectively wrong

2018-01-19 07:57:01 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

And can't justify your assumption

2018-01-19 07:57:14 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

No

2018-01-19 07:57:16 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Wrong

2018-01-19 07:57:33 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Why do you think that blacks would stop being impregnated while whites wouldn't

2018-01-19 07:57:37 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

If abortion was illegal

2018-01-19 07:57:52 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You're comparing society over a span of 6 decades

2018-01-19 07:58:02 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

If you think this is a valid comparison that's just embarassing g

2018-01-19 07:58:48 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

You think blacks would stop fucking without condoms? If abortions were illegal?

2018-01-19 07:58:53 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

That is retarded

2018-01-19 07:59:04 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

The averages are irrelevant

2018-01-19 07:59:18 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Because they're not getting abortions more than once every 9 months that's so stupid to think

2018-01-19 07:59:45 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Also whites rely on abortion too

2018-01-19 07:59:53 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Which you have yet to deal with

2018-01-19 08:00:26 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

We are comparing he people who would already be getting abortions and you're talking about white people broadly lmfao

2018-01-19 08:00:30 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Waste of my time goodbye

2018-01-19 08:01:46 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Problem when you have literally 85 IQ takes and can't follow your own argument to its logical conclusion

2018-01-19 08:13:57 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Yeah let me know when you're gonna be able to get rid of abortion and simultaneously the welfare state

2018-01-19 08:14:19 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Obviously it's contributed to the loss of traditional family

2018-01-20 04:36:30 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

E books are gay

2018-01-20 04:36:46 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

If you read on a kindle I heard your IQ is 8 points lower

2018-01-22 02:27:36 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #memetics]  

Decent takes from coulter on fox

2018-01-22 02:28:05 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #memetics]  

Anyone watch?

2018-01-25 00:34:25 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

Nicomachean ethics

2018-01-25 00:35:15 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #book-talk]  

Will go good right next to Aristotle

2018-01-28 19:23:18 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Making plans?

2018-01-28 19:23:22 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

For what lol

2018-01-29 05:51:07 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Soooo good

2018-01-29 05:51:28 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Legit came here because I saw your lie in April text

2018-01-29 05:53:35 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Still worth watching the ending tbh

2018-01-29 05:56:09 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Ohhhhh

2018-01-29 05:56:24 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

When she said lost motivation I had assumed she was most of the way through

2018-01-29 05:56:36 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Yeah I agree if you know from the beginning no point. Rip

2018-01-29 05:56:55 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Anohana is another good feely anime

2018-02-02 18:56:52 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Why was he bleeding?

2018-02-02 18:57:15 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Damn

2018-02-02 18:57:36 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

We never have antifa faggots here

2018-02-02 18:57:41 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

Even at my college

2018-02-02 18:58:30 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

I'm outside Boston. I'm sure they're bad in there

2018-02-02 18:58:34 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #anime]  

I'm hardly ever in the city

Wait wtf link memo

I can't find am I a retard

Wow this memo looks really bad for the Russia investigation

Oops

There u go

Gay

2018-02-05 06:32:36 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Running arpaio would be one of the dumbest ideas ever

2018-02-05 06:32:45 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

I hope we don't do that

2018-02-05 06:34:18 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

I wish he would just not run

2018-02-05 06:34:40 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

So easy to smear arpaio

2018-02-05 06:34:47 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

100% he loses

2018-02-05 06:34:51 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Rip

2018-02-05 06:35:05 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

I'm gonna throw some money in predictit on him losing

2018-02-05 06:35:44 UTC [Nick Fuentes Server #realpolitik]  

Wait is his seat up?

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