@shinjitsu (Discord ID: 250054875583479810), page 1

Whyd everyone just leave vc?

Gay

Not me what's it called

already hijacked talking points

yup\

SUBVERSIVE

yup

lol

he wasn't talking about recently he was talking about a long time ago

LOL israel was for the 2 state propositions

lol the jews just lovvved the UN partition plan

hahaha

hahahaha

this kikeish fucking circular reasoning

holy fuck i hate jews

interesting country list lol

fuck kikes

nukes created by einstein lmlfao

what is this autism

imagine being so literally autistic you say einstein is responsible for nukes

i cant anymore

nick is absolutely destroying this kid

he has said nothing other than 'that's debunked'

Yeah they are

Kinda mean lol

Nope brainlet tier

Imagine believing in a God and thinking he created shit tier people knowingly

Doesn't get more autistic than that

Like broseph said all predestination is a retarded attempt at reconciling free will with an omniscient God

Pick one.

Do you even know what Calvinism is lmao

So why would he create shit tier people then

Lmao solid argument

If you're autistic

Happens when someone just used "uh I'm not God" as an actual argument

Or I don't have a positive assertion to a God I should say

>can't defend Calvinism going beyond 1 layer deep

You realize any ideology that you differ with could use the exact same argument you have. I could argue for gods existence far better than you because I have read these religious texts

So no argument for Calvinism?

Okay

Yeah of course

You're making a conclusion that requires a jump from there that you're not justifying though

Let's say yes completely given agency for the sake of the argument

Wait hold up I wanna hear his reasoning

In Calvinism *yes*

This is my problem with what you're saying

In Calvinism it 100% is the fault of God that people do these things. Both collectivizing and being individually immoral

It's why I don't like Calvinism

No they shouldn't be because predestination is wrong, Calvinism is based on predestination and that is that

By extension it's wrong

No you can't have both

Sure but you can't make any claim that's not the same as a contradicting

You're talking about 2 things were consider that are mutually exclusive

Larp you need to look up what predestination is.

Okay sure a plan but that's not what you said originally Thomas

Predestination is the idea that some people all people are created and it is predestined whether or not they will ascend. This is 100% in contradiction with free will

Intent isn't what predestination says

You can't just use the word in a different sense

Predestination says the destination of the soul is predetermined.

As in you either ascend to heaven or don't.

Yeah I agree with you when we talk about intent 100%

We were originally talking about Calvinism though that's where the discussion sprang up

Yeah Simon that's the thing though you are saying free will doesn't exist if it's predetermined whether or not they will go to heaven. Either that or they can do ANYTHING they want in life and still ascend

IQ is both but this is irrelevant

Predetermined is fine

It's only to a degree though

I highly suggest you read the gay science. He goes into everything we're talking about much better than j can

Okay you could argue that but no Christians will agree with you

I tend to believe that but for the sake of the argument we assumed agency is real

I'm not saying we can or have to know

I'm saying if you believe in Calvinism you believe that either free will doesn't exist, or that people who are going to be going to heaven can do whatever immoral thin they want and still get in

No they can't

Calvinism believes that a soul is destined for heaven or hell determined at or prior to birth

meaning you either believe
1: Free will does not exist and this person will not be immoral.
2: It does not matter if this person is immoral in life, free will can exist, but they will do whatever they want and still get in.

What you will try to do now is say that it's number 1 but the character traits of the individual are the ones that determine how they act but you can't do this

It means that you can though

and if you can there is no way to say that this person is predestined for heaven or hell

unless the person's actions don't matter

These are non-arguments

You can't say that and still have free will

because it is determined *prior to their actions* whether or not they go to heaven

This is just logically false

you can not give free will while remaining omniscient

Because if it is known what you will do, then it is predetermined what you will do, and you have no agency

no you are just flat out wrong here there isn't even an argument to make.

No that's wrong. This is accepted by wrong by every philosopher even religious ones

No it doesn't matter. If he **knows** what actions you will tkae prior to you making them. Then there is **no** way to say you could have chosen otherwise.

This is not up for debate, this is widely accepted as problem by people you probably agree with

In this scenario free will is an illusion

It's why Calvinism (specifically predestination) is wrong and where these disagreements come from

No wait

*possible actions* is not the same as saying knowing which actions the person will take

Prior to you making them?

Just yes or no prior to you making them, does God know what decision you will make? In your opinion

No

It's not

because the soul is predestined to heaven or hell

Yes or no, does God know what action you will make before you make it?

Yes

This is literally the central tenant of Calvinism

This is what you think

Specifically here though, if God knows what action will be taken, free will doesn't exist.

And then calvinism is fine and a working theory

He doesn't have to bne

if the decision is predetermined, then you don't have free will.

Again this is something everyone has agreed on for hundred and hundreds of years

Because if one has free will there is no set decision yet....

Yeah it's an appeal to majority when you disregard the most fundamental and obvious logic that exists.

Yup because to say a decision is known before it's made with 100% certainty directly implies that it is predetermined, and not decided by free will.

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i am a benevolent shieldbrother

if i make it u make me arist?

https://2static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/A+modern+day+fairy+tale+_eb9aa9697480a4d3fc6cf0fd95f36a6d.jpg

tell me that is not god tier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va594kzDyVw

Quality books

Nichomachean ethics and Kants critiques are the best

As long as you either say no free will or no predestination

What are the others

Art of zen?

Oh oops it is way I read that a while back

I wasn't a fan of the exposition half where he explained the history of it

Yeah

Yeah I read that one way back when I didn't care much for history

Yeah same. I really gotta brush up on my history of the Middle East and Europe though

Just picked up that book Against our better judgement

Too lewd

Never

Nope

My most recent anime was a pretty gay one but it was good. Your lie in April

Ikr it's true

Abortion doesn't hurt

For now

Much

The contraceptive stat is ridiculous to use

You don't get to use contraception for your numbers

Because it's a separate argument

Abortion helps whites demographically

Abortive contraceptives?

Meaning

Abortive contraceptive is an oxymoron

Oh yeah I count that as just abortion

I thought you were talking about condoms

Source

Sales don't imply use

Abortions are massively over representative of blacks

According to what

I'm not arguing that abortion is okay. I'm arguing the replacement thing you said. It's just completely wrong

Yes it is

You're counting only the white abortions

Lmao

So what abortion affects other races more than whites

Without it demographics would be worse

This is objectively true, and doesn't mean abortion is fine

But the fact remains it's technically helping (to what degree I have no idea) demographics

There would be more black babies too lmfao

If abortion was illegal it would be illegal for all

Wrong

That's a retarded assumption

Saying they wouldn't keep getting pregnant is a retarded assumption that you're basing off nothing

You think they're getting abortions like 3 times a year? No

We have around 800k abortions ever hear in the US and around half are blacks

This is 400k abortions /45M blacks

Yeah cause that's stopped them in the past

And who says they are averaging 5 abortions

Can you Give any numbers or do you just guess and make things up

Yeah

You are just objectively wrong if abortion was illegal it would make a lower demographics of whites

Wrong

How do you know whites wouldn't have less sex and less kids?

You're guessing

No we have all sorts of safety nets

Wrong

Maybe slightly

Same with blacks

Almost equal numbers

Source something

You talk out of your ass

And make assumptions you can't justify then change the topic

Same with whites dude

You can't say to what degree this would play out

Holy fuck you are literally retarded

You are telling me blacks, the people who leave heir kids 70% of the time would stop fucking each other and making babies when they get on welfare because abortion isn't legal?

No you are so wrong it's not even funny

Are you joking or are you actually this stupid

Because there weren't fucking mountains of money they could count on from entitlement programs for having kids

I'm not sure how you've been talking for 15 minutes and haven't given a single figure

To justify anything

I said source

There are 800k abortions a year

Half are blacks

If we cut all abortion the black % of population would go up over time as a direct result

I am in graduate school

You are not justifying anything

No

You are objectively wrong

And can't justify your assumption

No

Wrong

Why do you think that blacks would stop being impregnated while whites wouldn't

If abortion was illegal

You're comparing society over a span of 6 decades

If you think this is a valid comparison that's just embarassing g

You think blacks would stop fucking without condoms? If abortions were illegal?

That is retarded

The averages are irrelevant

Because they're not getting abortions more than once every 9 months that's so stupid to think

Also whites rely on abortion too

Which you have yet to deal with

We are comparing he people who would already be getting abortions and you're talking about white people broadly lmfao

Waste of my time goodbye

Problem when you have literally 85 IQ takes and can't follow your own argument to its logical conclusion

Yeah let me know when you're gonna be able to get rid of abortion and simultaneously the welfare state

Obviously it's contributed to the loss of traditional family

E books are gay

If you read on a kindle I heard your IQ is 8 points lower

Decent takes from coulter on fox

Anyone watch?

Nicomachean ethics

Will go good right next to Aristotle

Making plans?

For what lol

Soooo good

Legit came here because I saw your lie in April text

Still worth watching the ending tbh

Ohhhhh

When she said lost motivation I had assumed she was most of the way through

Yeah I agree if you know from the beginning no point. Rip

Anohana is another good feely anime

Why was he bleeding?

Damn

We never have antifa faggots here

Even at my college

I'm outside Boston. I'm sure they're bad in there

I'm hardly ever in the city

Wait wtf link memo

I can't find am I a retard

Wow this memo looks really bad for the Russia investigation

Oops

There u go

Gay

Running arpaio would be one of the dumbest ideas ever

I hope we don't do that

I wish he would just not run

So easy to smear arpaio

100% he loses

Rip

I'm gonna throw some money in predictit on him losing

Wait is his seat up?