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Would you fuck a plant-person? @SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck
Your advocacy of "cultivating a new kind of folk" implies a certain outcome that is desired by certain collectivist movements.
depends
@Weez depends on what she looks like
Based.
Same.
It implies you have an objective in mind.
Yeah, well, evolution doesn't work that way.
@Miniature Menace I am rather annoyed with myself that I'm not able to dedicate the proper amount of time to theis conversation ¬.¬
Fucking vegetables is actually part of the moral matrix testing Haidt used......
Evolution sans conscious intent, yes. It does not work that way. Nevertheless, selection can, and does. We've been breeding both beasts, and humans, based on human priorities, for a very long time.
Kek.
And both to considerable effect.
Yeah that's not how evolution works at all.
Evolution is just what survives.
"We've been breeding humans"
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Kek.
MM, all it takes is one person to demonstrate the absurdity of your positions, and your rhetorical house of cards comes crashing down.
Demonstrate this.
Read the chat, you fucking lemon.
Most of this isn't actually an argument against my point. It's just an insistence that I address your questions on your terms, based on your erroneous assumptions.
You answered no one's questions.
You replied to a request for an alternative to democracy with absolute woo.
No. It's the goofy shit you say. And that when asked to back any of it up you just say new and different goofy shit.
Indeed. You're a woo merchant.
You're erroneous assumption is that in order to argue Democracy is shit, I must advocate an alternative. I don't actually need to.
You also didn't mean that democracy is shit
You seemed to be saying that you thought it was just as good as anything else
Not an argument.
I don't necessarily think it's as good as anything else. Only that it has an acute danger in that people often assume it is better.
I'm not making an argument. I'm calling out your woo.
its better than any known alternative
It's not woo. You just don't like it.
there, that was easy
Indeed, system11
"Democracy is the worst form of government. Except for all those other forms of government that have been tried." —Winston Churchill
Democracy tended to have better results not because of the system, but because the kind of populations which generally adopted it tended to be comparatively advantaged. Which was one of the reasons it was appealing. But then, the results of actually utilizing it, in the long term, have come to deteriorate the qualities of the population which made it so appealing.
Woo.
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"X is bad" is a comparative statement that says "X is not as good as field Y's average performance"
Okay, need I step you through the process?
Pure democracy is shit it just means the majority can treat the minority like slaves. A constitutional republic is better.
See I can argue against democracy *and* justify why *and* suggest an alternative. Pretty easy TBH fam.
Indeed. Well said.
wait a minute - is that how democracy works? the people who won the vote are now slave owners? fucking awesome - my garden needs tidying up
kek
in a political democracy, being the loser, the minority vote, means your ideas failed in the marketplace
High Trust, High IQ populations, particularly in the west, tend to gravitate towards democratic institutions. But the success of those institutions depends on the perpetuation of meritocratic, fitness selection mechanisms, economic and political integrity, and of the demos not deteriorating in terms of initiative, awareness, competence, and value. But often, as democracy progresses, opportunistic actors find it more appealing to leverage the votes of low investment, low income demos, to achieve power. And they will often *bribe* these low income, low investment constituents through the application of wealth and resource distribution schemes. In so doing, exacerbating class conflict, and subsidizing the growth of the least capable sub-populations.
you concerns are by definition, less important than those of everyone else, live with it
This is why we have a nation of laws, and not of men.
A constitutional republic is the best thing we have to alleviate the potential of such things to corrupt the results of elections and votes.
But hey, show me something better.
Like, for example, the Terran Federation from Starship Troopers.
yeah but thats just a manifestation of democracy, or maybe thats the other way around
@Goodwood of Dank™
>An Ethnonationalist IQ-Based Democratic People's Republic
Kek.
Everyone who completes a term of service can get the vote. And everyone has the right to try for it, no matter their disability.
we could just erase it all nd install trump as eternal god emperor for all of america & europe
I know with me being in favor of market capitalism, this might come as a shocker, but markets don't always produce the most desirable outcome. It's less accurate to argue that a market always produces a good outcome then it is to argue that outcomes within a market are *earned* for better or worse. The reality is that markets are subject to human stupidity, as is basically everything else. They just tend to compartmentalize failures better when they rely on voluntary transaction.
at this point, i would vote for it
Kek. Me too.
You know what, you ask me if I think there is a better system? I'll concede, Starship Troopers sounds bretty gud.
we're going to need to divert science funding to extending his life indefinitely
system11, you should read my second novel...
...he's a fairly major minor character.
But then, that's basically a system with some elements of democracy, providing voting as a privilege to be earned through meritorious behavior, rather than a default right.
Which *is* better than universal suffrage, I strongly suspect.
Because it attaches that representation more strongly to a personal investment, and personal risk.
Service Guarantees Citizenship!
its hrd to measure meritous behaviour
Voting isn't a right. The ability to earn the vote is.
Hard, yes, many standards can be better than virtually none at all. Or "oh, you were born here, that means you understand how things should be run!"
In Starship Troopers.
socioeconomic mobility is far more important a factor in functional civilization than socioeconomic *equality*
fite me
Oh no, I agree.
I'd rather fite you over your use of woo.
woo
uwu
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i think i have a way to cause the guardian to have an apoplectic fit. all we need to do is get boris to suggest that voting rights should be suspended while someone is not contributing taxes
Kek.
The absolute madlad. He might actually go for it.
But the basic point I'm making, is that, comparing systems, even while Starship Troopers can be argued superior to the system we have now, it's success is still chiefly subject to the kind of people who operate within it. For instance, it's still possible to gain the system to stack votes, by bloating public service sectors in order to justify an expanding demos, and leveraging the loyalty of those new employees to the official who created their jobs.
We can see examples of this in the US currently, as certain public sector employees represent a considerable lobby, obstructing efficiency and cost reform.
Also, I would argue a nation of laws and not men is impossible. Laws require men. Unless you're arguing for everything to be run by some autonomous self-creating AI. While some men are more, or less, interested in enforcing objective, impartial laws, the results are nevertheless a consequence of those men.
No more "OwO"ing it's disgusting, and you are a pervert.
>posting memes in the political discussion chat
"We don't like your kind here, feller"
the memes must flow
Shapiro makes me love the left by praising, I mean fellating dead Koch brother's corpse on air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQvX1CrNKOo
With friends like this, who needs enemies? (Fucking kike.)
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