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2019-08-24 02:46:16 UTC

Would you fuck a plant-person? @SPOOKY Phil, Ruler of Heck

2019-08-24 02:46:21 UTC

Your advocacy of "cultivating a new kind of folk" implies a certain outcome that is desired by certain collectivist movements.

2019-08-24 02:46:22 UTC

depends

2019-08-24 02:46:23 UTC

@Weez depends on what she looks like

2019-08-24 02:46:28 UTC

Based.

2019-08-24 02:46:29 UTC

Same.

2019-08-24 02:46:44 UTC

It implies you have an objective in mind.

2019-08-24 02:47:01 UTC

Yeah, well, evolution doesn't work that way.

2019-08-24 02:47:51 UTC

@Miniature Menace I am rather annoyed with myself that I'm not able to dedicate the proper amount of time to theis conversation ¬.¬

2019-08-24 02:48:55 UTC

Fucking vegetables is actually part of the moral matrix testing Haidt used......

2019-08-24 02:48:59 UTC

Evolution sans conscious intent, yes. It does not work that way. Nevertheless, selection can, and does. We've been breeding both beasts, and humans, based on human priorities, for a very long time.

2019-08-24 02:49:02 UTC

Kek.

2019-08-24 02:49:27 UTC

And both to considerable effect.

2019-08-24 02:51:15 UTC

Yeah that's not how evolution works at all.

2019-08-24 02:51:46 UTC

Evolution is just what survives.

2019-08-24 02:51:50 UTC

"We've been breeding humans"
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2019-08-24 02:51:55 UTC

Kek.

2019-08-24 02:52:21 UTC

MM, all it takes is one person to demonstrate the absurdity of your positions, and your rhetorical house of cards comes crashing down.

2019-08-24 02:52:33 UTC

Demonstrate this.

2019-08-24 02:52:42 UTC

Read the chat, you fucking lemon.

2019-08-24 02:53:13 UTC

Most of this isn't actually an argument against my point. It's just an insistence that I address your questions on your terms, based on your erroneous assumptions.

2019-08-24 02:53:31 UTC

You answered no one's questions.

2019-08-24 02:53:43 UTC

You replied to a request for an alternative to democracy with absolute woo.

2019-08-24 02:54:13 UTC

No. It's the goofy shit you say. And that when asked to back any of it up you just say new and different goofy shit.

2019-08-24 02:54:26 UTC

Indeed. You're a woo merchant.

2019-08-24 02:54:55 UTC

You're erroneous assumption is that in order to argue Democracy is shit, I must advocate an alternative. I don't actually need to.

2019-08-24 02:55:34 UTC

You also didn't mean that democracy is shit

2019-08-24 02:55:49 UTC

You seemed to be saying that you thought it was just as good as anything else

2019-08-24 02:55:56 UTC

Not an argument.

2019-08-24 02:56:28 UTC

I don't necessarily think it's as good as anything else. Only that it has an acute danger in that people often assume it is better.

2019-08-24 02:56:29 UTC

I'm not making an argument. I'm calling out your woo.

2019-08-24 02:57:04 UTC

its better than any known alternative

2019-08-24 02:57:06 UTC

It's not woo. You just don't like it.

2019-08-24 02:57:12 UTC

there, that was easy

2019-08-24 02:57:28 UTC

Indeed, system11

2019-08-24 02:57:58 UTC

"Democracy is the worst form of government. Except for all those other forms of government that have been tried." —Winston Churchill

2019-08-24 02:58:34 UTC

Democracy tended to have better results not because of the system, but because the kind of populations which generally adopted it tended to be comparatively advantaged. Which was one of the reasons it was appealing. But then, the results of actually utilizing it, in the long term, have come to deteriorate the qualities of the population which made it so appealing.

2019-08-24 02:58:47 UTC

Woo.

2019-08-24 02:58:52 UTC

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2019-08-24 02:58:52 UTC

"X is bad" is a comparative statement that says "X is not as good as field Y's average performance"

2019-08-24 02:59:01 UTC

Okay, need I step you through the process?

2019-08-24 02:59:25 UTC

Pure democracy is shit it just means the majority can treat the minority like slaves. A constitutional republic is better.

See I can argue against democracy *and* justify why *and* suggest an alternative. Pretty easy TBH fam.

2019-08-24 02:59:48 UTC

Indeed. Well said.

2019-08-24 03:02:15 UTC

wait a minute - is that how democracy works? the people who won the vote are now slave owners? fucking awesome - my garden needs tidying up

2019-08-24 03:02:35 UTC

kek

2019-08-24 03:03:01 UTC

in a political democracy, being the loser, the minority vote, means your ideas failed in the marketplace

2019-08-24 03:03:25 UTC

High Trust, High IQ populations, particularly in the west, tend to gravitate towards democratic institutions. But the success of those institutions depends on the perpetuation of meritocratic, fitness selection mechanisms, economic and political integrity, and of the demos not deteriorating in terms of initiative, awareness, competence, and value. But often, as democracy progresses, opportunistic actors find it more appealing to leverage the votes of low investment, low income demos, to achieve power. And they will often *bribe* these low income, low investment constituents through the application of wealth and resource distribution schemes. In so doing, exacerbating class conflict, and subsidizing the growth of the least capable sub-populations.

2019-08-24 03:03:26 UTC

you concerns are by definition, less important than those of everyone else, live with it

2019-08-24 03:05:11 UTC

This is why we have a nation of laws, and not of men.

2019-08-24 03:05:34 UTC

A constitutional republic is the best thing we have to alleviate the potential of such things to corrupt the results of elections and votes.

2019-08-24 03:05:46 UTC

But hey, show me something better.

2019-08-24 03:06:06 UTC

Like, for example, the Terran Federation from Starship Troopers.

2019-08-24 03:06:24 UTC

yeah but thats just a manifestation of democracy, or maybe thats the other way around

2019-08-24 03:06:33 UTC

@Goodwood of Dank™
>An Ethnonationalist IQ-Based Democratic People's Republic

2019-08-24 03:06:35 UTC

Kek.

2019-08-24 03:07:11 UTC

Everyone who completes a term of service can get the vote. And everyone has the right to try for it, no matter their disability.

2019-08-24 03:07:12 UTC

we could just erase it all nd install trump as eternal god emperor for all of america & europe

2019-08-24 03:07:18 UTC

I know with me being in favor of market capitalism, this might come as a shocker, but markets don't always produce the most desirable outcome. It's less accurate to argue that a market always produces a good outcome then it is to argue that outcomes within a market are *earned* for better or worse. The reality is that markets are subject to human stupidity, as is basically everything else. They just tend to compartmentalize failures better when they rely on voluntary transaction.

2019-08-24 03:07:21 UTC

at this point, i would vote for it

2019-08-24 03:07:36 UTC

Kek. Me too.

2019-08-24 03:08:11 UTC

You know what, you ask me if I think there is a better system? I'll concede, Starship Troopers sounds bretty gud.

2019-08-24 03:08:12 UTC

we're going to need to divert science funding to extending his life indefinitely

2019-08-24 03:08:41 UTC

system11, you should read my second novel...

2019-08-24 03:08:54 UTC

...he's a fairly major minor character.

2019-08-24 03:08:54 UTC

But then, that's basically a system with some elements of democracy, providing voting as a privilege to be earned through meritorious behavior, rather than a default right.

2019-08-24 03:09:19 UTC

Which *is* better than universal suffrage, I strongly suspect.

2019-08-24 03:09:37 UTC

Because it attaches that representation more strongly to a personal investment, and personal risk.

2019-08-24 03:09:49 UTC

Service Guarantees Citizenship!

2019-08-24 03:09:56 UTC

its hrd to measure meritous behaviour

2019-08-24 03:10:47 UTC

Voting isn't a right. The ability to earn the vote is.

2019-08-24 03:10:51 UTC

Hard, yes, many standards can be better than virtually none at all. Or "oh, you were born here, that means you understand how things should be run!"

2019-08-24 03:10:53 UTC

In Starship Troopers.

2019-08-24 03:11:30 UTC

socioeconomic mobility is far more important a factor in functional civilization than socioeconomic *equality*

2019-08-24 03:11:33 UTC

fite me

2019-08-24 03:11:52 UTC

Oh no, I agree.

2019-08-24 03:12:06 UTC

I'd rather fite you over your use of woo.

2019-08-24 03:12:11 UTC

woo

2019-08-24 03:12:18 UTC

uwu

2019-08-24 03:12:43 UTC

awoo

2019-08-24 03:12:52 UTC

0w0

2019-08-24 03:12:54 UTC

i think i have a way to cause the guardian to have an apoplectic fit. all we need to do is get boris to suggest that voting rights should be suspended while someone is not contributing taxes

2019-08-24 03:13:15 UTC

Kek.

2019-08-24 03:13:24 UTC

The absolute madlad. He might actually go for it.

2019-08-24 03:13:36 UTC

But the basic point I'm making, is that, comparing systems, even while Starship Troopers can be argued superior to the system we have now, it's success is still chiefly subject to the kind of people who operate within it. For instance, it's still possible to gain the system to stack votes, by bloating public service sectors in order to justify an expanding demos, and leveraging the loyalty of those new employees to the official who created their jobs.

2019-08-24 03:14:35 UTC

We can see examples of this in the US currently, as certain public sector employees represent a considerable lobby, obstructing efficiency and cost reform.

2019-08-24 03:27:37 UTC

Also, I would argue a nation of laws and not men is impossible. Laws require men. Unless you're arguing for everything to be run by some autonomous self-creating AI. While some men are more, or less, interested in enforcing objective, impartial laws, the results are nevertheless a consequence of those men.

2019-08-24 03:29:12 UTC

No more "OwO"ing it's disgusting, and you are a pervert.

2019-08-24 04:44:44 UTC

>posting memes in the political discussion chat

2019-08-24 04:44:54 UTC

"We don't like your kind here, feller"

2019-08-24 04:50:57 UTC

the memes must flow

2019-08-24 06:09:07 UTC

Shapiro makes me love the left by praising, I mean fellating dead Koch brother's corpse on air: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQvX1CrNKOo

2019-08-24 06:09:25 UTC

With friends like this, who needs enemies? (Fucking kike.)

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