Message from @Hexidecimark

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2019-08-24 02:47:51 UTC  

@Miniature Menace I am rather annoyed with myself that I'm not able to dedicate the proper amount of time to theis conversation ¬.¬

2019-08-24 02:48:55 UTC  

Fucking vegetables is actually part of the moral matrix testing Haidt used......

2019-08-24 02:48:59 UTC  

Evolution sans conscious intent, yes. It does not work that way. Nevertheless, selection can, and does. We've been breeding both beasts, and humans, based on human priorities, for a very long time.

2019-08-24 02:49:02 UTC  

Kek.

2019-08-24 02:49:27 UTC  

And both to considerable effect.

2019-08-24 02:51:15 UTC  

Yeah that's not how evolution works at all.

2019-08-24 02:51:46 UTC  

Evolution is just what survives.

2019-08-24 02:51:50 UTC  

"We've been breeding humans"
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2019-08-24 02:51:55 UTC  

Kek.

2019-08-24 02:52:21 UTC  

MM, all it takes is one person to demonstrate the absurdity of your positions, and your rhetorical house of cards comes crashing down.

2019-08-24 02:52:33 UTC  

Demonstrate this.

2019-08-24 02:52:42 UTC  

Read the chat, you fucking lemon.

2019-08-24 02:53:13 UTC  

Most of this isn't actually an argument against my point. It's just an insistence that I address your questions on your terms, based on your erroneous assumptions.

2019-08-24 02:53:31 UTC  

You answered no one's questions.

2019-08-24 02:53:43 UTC  

You replied to a request for an alternative to democracy with absolute woo.

2019-08-24 02:54:13 UTC  

No. It's the goofy shit you say. And that when asked to back any of it up you just say new and different goofy shit.

2019-08-24 02:54:26 UTC  

Indeed. You're a woo merchant.

2019-08-24 02:54:55 UTC  

You're erroneous assumption is that in order to argue Democracy is shit, I must advocate an alternative. I don't actually need to.

2019-08-24 02:55:34 UTC  

You also didn't mean that democracy is shit

2019-08-24 02:55:49 UTC  

You seemed to be saying that you thought it was just as good as anything else

2019-08-24 02:55:56 UTC  

Not an argument.

2019-08-24 02:56:28 UTC  

I don't necessarily think it's as good as anything else. Only that it has an acute danger in that people often assume it is better.

2019-08-24 02:56:29 UTC  

I'm not making an argument. I'm calling out your woo.

2019-08-24 02:57:04 UTC  

its better than any known alternative

2019-08-24 02:57:06 UTC  

It's not woo. You just don't like it.

2019-08-24 02:57:12 UTC  

there, that was easy

2019-08-24 02:57:28 UTC  

Indeed, system11

2019-08-24 02:57:58 UTC  

"Democracy is the worst form of government. Except for all those other forms of government that have been tried." —Winston Churchill

2019-08-24 02:58:34 UTC  

Democracy tended to have better results not because of the system, but because the kind of populations which generally adopted it tended to be comparatively advantaged. Which was one of the reasons it was appealing. But then, the results of actually utilizing it, in the long term, have come to deteriorate the qualities of the population which made it so appealing.

2019-08-24 02:58:47 UTC  

Woo.

2019-08-24 02:58:52 UTC  

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2019-08-24 02:58:52 UTC  

"X is bad" is a comparative statement that says "X is not as good as field Y's average performance"

2019-08-24 02:59:01 UTC  

Okay, need I step you through the process?

2019-08-24 02:59:25 UTC  

Pure democracy is shit it just means the majority can treat the minority like slaves. A constitutional republic is better.

See I can argue against democracy *and* justify why *and* suggest an alternative. Pretty easy TBH fam.

2019-08-24 02:59:48 UTC  

Indeed. Well said.

2019-08-24 03:02:15 UTC  

wait a minute - is that how democracy works? the people who won the vote are now slave owners? fucking awesome - my garden needs tidying up

2019-08-24 03:02:35 UTC  

kek

2019-08-24 03:03:01 UTC  

in a political democracy, being the loser, the minority vote, means your ideas failed in the marketplace

2019-08-24 03:03:25 UTC  

High Trust, High IQ populations, particularly in the west, tend to gravitate towards democratic institutions. But the success of those institutions depends on the perpetuation of meritocratic, fitness selection mechanisms, economic and political integrity, and of the demos not deteriorating in terms of initiative, awareness, competence, and value. But often, as democracy progresses, opportunistic actors find it more appealing to leverage the votes of low investment, low income demos, to achieve power. And they will often *bribe* these low income, low investment constituents through the application of wealth and resource distribution schemes. In so doing, exacerbating class conflict, and subsidizing the growth of the least capable sub-populations.