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2019-09-24 22:07:37 UTC

There is nobody else who could form a government

2019-09-24 22:07:41 UTC

The Lib Dems and Labour will agree

2019-09-24 22:07:48 UTC

And Jo Swinson has said that she wouldn't put Corbyn into no 10

2019-09-24 22:07:54 UTC

Corbyn will step aside for it

2019-09-24 22:08:07 UTC

Corbyn is a Brexiteer at heart

2019-09-24 22:08:10 UTC

He ain't

2019-09-24 22:08:11 UTC

He won't do it

2019-09-24 22:08:26 UTC

He is only staying on the fence because his part is Remain

2019-09-24 22:08:30 UTC

He's been advocating for it for 20 years

2019-09-24 22:08:41 UTC

I don't care what he's been advocating for - he's a party animal

2019-09-24 22:08:42 UTC

Nearly every Socialist and Communist party in the country supports leaving

2019-09-24 22:09:09 UTC

Whatever waffle you want to put forward, we won't be leaving the EU on 31st of October

2019-09-24 22:09:11 UTC

This is actually the one thing that the radical right and the radical left agree on

2019-09-24 22:09:15 UTC

He won't step aside, he wants power too much

2019-09-24 22:09:30 UTC

What happens between now and the general election will be the estalbishment throwing everything + the kitchen sink to sink Boris + the Tories

2019-09-24 22:09:33 UTC

I still stand by my earlier prediction that we will get a No Deal

2019-09-24 22:09:40 UTC

Not a hope

2019-09-24 22:10:01 UTC

The only options are no deal and remain and remain is intolerable

2019-09-24 22:10:07 UTC

GE is called, Conservatives get a majority, Repeal the Bill, Leave without a deal

2019-09-24 22:10:12 UTC

Done

2019-09-24 22:10:13 UTC

The english will not tolerate it

2019-09-24 22:10:28 UTC

FUck sake

2019-09-24 22:10:32 UTC

the working class you mean

2019-09-24 22:10:36 UTC

Conservatives won't go for a no deal

2019-09-24 22:10:43 UTC

Not openly

2019-09-24 22:10:45 UTC

And there's no guarantee Conservatives will get a majority

2019-09-24 22:10:48 UTC

They will in private

2019-09-24 22:10:57 UTC

It's a minority view in the Conservative parliamentary party, lizard

2019-09-24 22:11:02 UTC

It's the most likely scenario by far

2019-09-24 22:11:06 UTC

THe Conservatives are -not- the Brexit party

2019-09-24 22:11:07 UTC

Even if an election is called boris decides when parliament reconvenes

2019-09-24 22:11:19 UTC

That's not strictly true, Andy

2019-09-24 22:11:20 UTC

Boris will have a reason to force it

2019-09-24 22:11:25 UTC

it'll be either majority Tories or Brexit party

2019-09-24 22:11:36 UTC

Given that he has being saving Brexit on the 31st no matter what for a while

2019-09-24 22:11:37 UTC

Brexit party will have half a dozen seats tops

2019-09-24 22:11:44 UTC

Tory majority or coalition with BP

2019-09-24 22:11:56 UTC

i'm happy with either

2019-09-24 22:11:56 UTC

The best predictions for the BXP are giving them 50

2019-09-24 22:11:57 UTC

That's what all the polling says

2019-09-24 22:12:01 UTC

Where?

2019-09-24 22:12:05 UTC

Bullshit

2019-09-24 22:12:18 UTC

Most are giving them 1 or 2

2019-09-24 22:12:24 UTC

You can't just go "BXP are polling x, therefore y seats"

2019-09-24 22:12:45 UTC

the MEP elections had the Brexit party smash every other party

2019-09-24 22:12:45 UTC

The polling is suggesting a coalition

2019-09-24 22:12:48 UTC

The very generous polling is saying that they will get around 20% nationally which will translate into around 50 seats

2019-09-24 22:13:01 UTC

MEP elections are largely proportional representation, jdosser

2019-09-24 22:13:05 UTC

ik

2019-09-24 22:13:07 UTC

that depends on how the vote is spread

2019-09-24 22:13:08 UTC

20% doesn't translate to 50 seats

2019-09-24 22:13:16 UTC

Roughly

2019-09-24 22:13:17 UTC

It can

2019-09-24 22:13:19 UTC

Not even roughly

2019-09-24 22:13:23 UTC

Their support is also concentrated into the north

2019-09-24 22:13:28 UTC

It's not

2019-09-24 22:13:32 UTC

20% is more like 1 seat

2019-09-24 22:14:02 UTC

You're in for a rude awakening

2019-09-24 22:14:26 UTC

Tories, in the absence of a pact with BXP, are well short of a majority

2019-09-24 22:14:37 UTC

well sorry for being optimistic for the future for the first time in 6 fucking years

2019-09-24 22:15:03 UTC

Blind optomism isn't healthy

2019-09-24 22:15:04 UTC

Boris is still most people's first choice for PM

2019-09-24 22:15:08 UTC

The current prediction by the Electoral Calculus is a Conservative majority of 14

2019-09-24 22:15:24 UTC

With the BXP at 0

2019-09-24 22:15:41 UTC

14, lol

2019-09-24 22:15:44 UTC

that's sounding more reasonable

2019-09-24 22:15:51 UTC

but that's within the margin of error, you realise

2019-09-24 22:15:53 UTC

i'd take boris over someone like Corbyn

2019-09-24 22:16:02 UTC

Most rational people would, jdosser

2019-09-24 22:16:02 UTC

Yes but it is likely

2019-09-24 22:16:08 UTC

42% isn't "likely"

2019-09-24 22:16:20 UTC

Most polling is predicting a Conservative Majority

2019-09-24 22:16:21 UTC

i know people in my own family who would have it the other way @Eccles

2019-09-24 22:16:32 UTC

The only real question is how big the majority is

2019-09-24 22:16:46 UTC

14 isn't big enough, really

2019-09-24 22:17:04 UTC

It could just be enough to repeal that bill blocking a No Deal

2019-09-24 22:17:24 UTC

And it would be much better then his current situation

2019-09-24 22:17:25 UTC

nope

2019-09-24 22:17:34 UTC

of around -40 in Parliament

2019-09-24 22:17:35 UTC

the tories haven't purged all their wets

2019-09-24 22:17:41 UTC

14 wouldn't be enough

2019-09-24 22:17:42 UTC

Most of the vocal ones

2019-09-24 22:17:51 UTC

he would get more if he entered into a pact with Farage/went for no deal

2019-09-24 22:17:53 UTC

The others voted with the Government on the bill

2019-09-24 22:17:57 UTC

They could do it again

2019-09-24 22:19:35 UTC

of course, we got a act that states that 2/3's of parliament has to consent to being dissolved.
And that isn't going to happen anytime soon

2019-09-24 22:20:11 UTC

Corbyn has promised to support one after Oct 31st

2019-09-24 22:20:27 UTC

Fixed term parliament act needs to eithe rgo, or be modified

2019-09-24 22:20:58 UTC

I imagine it sounded better at the time but it has pretty much caused a political impasse

2019-09-24 22:21:13 UTC

if there is no confidence then there will be a caretaker PM

2019-09-24 22:21:32 UTC

Corbyn wants to be that caretaker PM

2019-09-24 22:21:50 UTC

That would be a dark day for Britain

2019-09-24 22:21:53 UTC

it needs to be modified to remove the 2/3 majority requirement if the sitting government does not have a majority

2019-09-24 22:21:53 UTC

and he will do lots of damage in the 14 days

2019-09-24 22:21:58 UTC

it will be ken clarke or harmen

2019-09-24 22:22:06 UTC

almost as bad as Corbyn

2019-09-24 22:22:30 UTC

He could use the whip if his majority is narrow

2019-09-24 22:22:31 UTC

it would then keep the intention of preventing governments abusing election timing for partisan gain, while preventing an opposition using it to prevent an election when the government is non-funcitoning due to a minority position

2019-09-24 22:22:45 UTC

He has a majority of like -40

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