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2019-07-11 21:49:20 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Trump slipped up tonight

Trump slipped up, tonight

2019-07-11 21:51:41 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

He threatened sanctions at France for daring to institute a digital services tax to reclaim money Silicon Valley are dodging tax on on revenues made in France

2019-07-11 21:52:44 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

UK is planning similar, and rightly so

2019-07-11 21:53:37 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

France is doing Trump's job for him

2019-07-11 21:53:45 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Trump is wrong on this

2019-07-11 21:55:38 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

France's tax rate is not relevent to the principle here

2019-07-11 21:56:38 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

That's also not relevent, Joey

2019-07-11 21:57:07 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

The issue is America is getting tax money from profits made on foreign customers

2019-07-11 21:57:16 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Where as those foreign countries are not

2019-07-11 21:58:55 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Same here, ET

2019-07-11 21:59:37 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

It makes Trump seem hypocritical, Wizard

2019-07-11 21:59:52 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

The purpose isn't to punish them, Joey

2019-07-11 22:01:35 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

How so? Silicon Valley are not paying their fair share of taxes on revenue generated abroad

2019-07-11 22:02:09 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

3% on revenue is equivalent to around 15% corporation tax assuming a 5% profit margin

2019-07-11 22:02:53 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

If Trump wants fairness, he would be negotiating a tax-sharing scheme

2019-07-11 22:03:56 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

I'm not about to criticise or select a rate, Joey, i'd imagine they set the rate to be roughly in line with their existing corporate tax rate

2019-07-11 22:04:03 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

But in principle, I totally support it

2019-07-11 22:04:30 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

I'd prefer a cororate revenue tax, personally, rather than taxing profit

2019-07-11 22:05:11 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Of course you would say that, Coolitic, you would prefer the world run by a corporate dictatorship

2019-07-11 22:05:22 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

That's why you have it apply to all corporations

2019-07-11 22:05:43 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

The French tax isn't a "silicon valley tax", it's a digital services tax - it applies to their own companies too

2019-07-11 22:06:18 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

WHat?

2019-07-11 22:07:08 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

If Discord makes revenue in my country, i want it paying tax in my country

2019-07-11 22:07:30 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Amazon should pay tax in my country on revenue generated in my country

2019-07-11 22:07:42 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

YT should pay tax in my country on revenue generated in my country

2019-07-11 22:07:53 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

They don't

2019-07-11 22:08:16 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Google and Amazon need breaking up, too

2019-07-11 22:08:57 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Predatory monopolies

2019-07-11 22:09:13 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Vertical integration and overwhelming market share

2019-07-11 22:09:25 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Illegal and uncompetitive practices

2019-07-11 22:09:53 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Google banning competitors from their market place

2019-07-11 22:10:13 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Political interference

2019-07-11 22:12:20 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Amazon are very large in the hosting and backend services sector too, ET

2019-07-11 22:12:29 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Similar political interference there

2019-07-11 22:12:41 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

These industries alongside social media need regulating

2019-07-11 22:14:06 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Doubt it, System11

2019-07-11 22:15:48 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Nicest solution would be to force digital service companies to open companies in the countries they operate in and ensure all revenue from that country is passed through and taxed via that company

2019-07-11 22:16:28 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

But tbh, i'd prefer they were regulated first as a matter of priority

2019-07-11 22:18:21 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Double tax is your problem, Coolitic

2019-07-11 22:18:42 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

It's up to the USA not to double-tax digital service companies based in the USA

2019-07-11 22:19:02 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

And stuff is double taxed all the time

2019-07-11 22:19:08 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

By the USA as well as other countries

2019-07-11 22:20:03 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

I can understand the spite - silicon valley is openly malevolent and evil at this point

2019-07-11 22:20:54 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

If they went, competitors would take their place

2019-07-11 22:20:59 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

People wouldn't need to go without it

2019-07-11 22:22:07 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

UX?

2019-07-11 22:23:46 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

I code for a living, darling, i'd be fine

2019-07-11 22:24:27 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

You realise Google Facebook and Twatter don't have the monopoly on user interface

2019-07-11 22:26:05 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

The Internet was a -much- better place before normies ruined it

2019-07-11 22:27:42 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

I'm baffled by this insistence that if facebook and twitter went away, suddenly nobody would be able to use a computer

2019-07-11 22:28:08 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Then what is your point

2019-07-11 22:29:08 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

What we're demanding is a level playing field with objective and fairly/equally applied rules, protections against monopolies, protection against political intereference and bias, and appropriate taxation

2019-07-11 22:30:22 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

It'd be like brexit - a shock followed by period of high entropy as people move platforms, and then back to normal

2019-07-11 22:30:56 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Someone else already did

2019-07-11 22:31:14 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

If YT didn't exist, that custom would go elsewhere

2019-07-11 22:31:31 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Lol, of course they would

2019-07-11 22:32:12 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

There are, System11

2019-07-11 22:32:41 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

There are working and scalable alternatives for all these companies

2019-07-11 22:32:46 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

They're just small -now-

2019-07-11 22:32:52 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Bitchute

2019-07-11 22:34:53 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

That's retarded, Joey

2019-07-11 22:35:43 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

That's like claiming peasants oppressed under a feudal system are communists because they care about not dying of starvation

2019-07-11 22:36:01 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Youtube lacks a working monetisation model

2019-07-11 22:36:19 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Here? nowhere, Joey

2019-07-11 22:36:32 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

UK

2019-07-11 22:36:41 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

In places of high crime and no jobs at a push

2019-07-11 22:38:04 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

That being said, the problem with housing in the UK is mainly a problem of mass immigration and retarded government policy which saw rich people usurp the housing market at taxpayer expense

2019-07-11 22:39:08 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Steam? It's garbage

2019-07-11 22:39:21 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

It's a game rental service

2019-07-11 22:40:17 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

w/o steam, an alternative would have come along

2019-07-11 22:41:05 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

It's fucking awful in the UK, Joey

2019-07-11 22:41:31 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

The rental prices are similar in the UK for smaller houses, but on roughly half the salary

2019-07-11 22:42:33 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Wages have been static for 10 years while house prices have not been

2019-07-11 22:43:07 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

The PC gaming market, in the event of sudden death of Steam, would fragment, but would recover

2019-07-11 22:43:27 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

A few things, Joey

2019-07-11 22:44:29 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

When the interest rates went to almost zero, housing became an investment class that attracted a shit ton of money - added to which the government pays 'housing benefit' a welfare which covers rent, and thus you created an investment class whose profit came at the expense of the tax payer

2019-07-11 22:44:58 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Combine that with the fact we're an island with limited scope for expansion, and mass immigration, and you have a recipe for house prices rising faster than wages for prolonged periods

2019-07-11 22:45:40 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

I personally hate steam because it doesn't sell games

2019-07-11 22:45:44 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Yet pretends it does

2019-07-11 22:47:29 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

If a platform has the means and right to arbitrarily deprive you of your ability to install and play a game your bought, then it's fundamentally flawed

2019-07-11 22:47:38 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

It's really nothing to do with DRM

2019-07-11 22:48:32 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

All steam need to do is change their "backup" option to include a standalone installer

2019-07-11 22:49:41 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Why the fuck does it need a reason?

2019-07-11 22:50:31 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Doesn't matter how big the client is - the fact is it is a client at all, and they can arbitrarily block your access to it

2019-07-11 22:51:22 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

They have

2019-07-11 22:51:29 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Yes

2019-07-11 22:51:35 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

They did it to me last year

2019-07-11 22:51:41 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

They ended support for XP

2019-07-11 22:51:53 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Wouldn't connect

2019-07-11 22:51:57 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

Couldn't reinstall

2019-07-11 22:52:19 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

You need the client to restore from the backup you daft sod

2019-07-11 22:52:55 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

The model is the problem, Gespa

2019-07-11 22:53:28 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

It's why I don't buy new games

2019-07-11 22:53:30 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

That and they're shit

2019-07-11 22:53:37 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

And I don't have time

2019-07-11 22:54:06 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

The DRM should be done via webservice

2019-07-11 22:54:46 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

You're missing the point, Gespa

2019-07-11 22:55:28 UTC [Athens #voulí_politics_discussion]  

It's deliberate building in of deprecation

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