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2019-07-11 21:49:20 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Trump slipped up tonight

Trump slipped up, tonight

2019-07-11 21:51:41 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

He threatened sanctions at France for daring to institute a digital services tax to reclaim money Silicon Valley are dodging tax on on revenues made in France

2019-07-11 21:52:44 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

UK is planning similar, and rightly so

2019-07-11 21:53:37 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

France is doing Trump's job for him

2019-07-11 21:53:45 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Trump is wrong on this

2019-07-11 21:55:38 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

France's tax rate is not relevent to the principle here

2019-07-11 21:56:38 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

That's also not relevent, Joey

2019-07-11 21:57:07 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

The issue is America is getting tax money from profits made on foreign customers

2019-07-11 21:57:16 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Where as those foreign countries are not

2019-07-11 21:58:55 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Same here, ET

2019-07-11 21:59:37 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

It makes Trump seem hypocritical, Wizard

2019-07-11 21:59:52 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

The purpose isn't to punish them, Joey

2019-07-11 22:01:35 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

How so? Silicon Valley are not paying their fair share of taxes on revenue generated abroad

2019-07-11 22:02:09 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

3% on revenue is equivalent to around 15% corporation tax assuming a 5% profit margin

2019-07-11 22:02:53 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

If Trump wants fairness, he would be negotiating a tax-sharing scheme

2019-07-11 22:03:56 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I'm not about to criticise or select a rate, Joey, i'd imagine they set the rate to be roughly in line with their existing corporate tax rate

2019-07-11 22:04:03 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

But in principle, I totally support it

2019-07-11 22:04:30 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I'd prefer a cororate revenue tax, personally, rather than taxing profit

2019-07-11 22:05:11 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Of course you would say that, Coolitic, you would prefer the world run by a corporate dictatorship

2019-07-11 22:05:22 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

That's why you have it apply to all corporations

2019-07-11 22:05:43 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

The French tax isn't a "silicon valley tax", it's a digital services tax - it applies to their own companies too

2019-07-11 22:06:18 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  


2019-07-11 22:07:08 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

If Discord makes revenue in my country, i want it paying tax in my country

2019-07-11 22:07:30 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Amazon should pay tax in my country on revenue generated in my country

2019-07-11 22:07:42 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

YT should pay tax in my country on revenue generated in my country

2019-07-11 22:07:53 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

They don't

2019-07-11 22:08:16 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Google and Amazon need breaking up, too

2019-07-11 22:08:57 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Predatory monopolies

2019-07-11 22:09:13 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Vertical integration and overwhelming market share

2019-07-11 22:09:25 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Illegal and uncompetitive practices

2019-07-11 22:09:53 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Google banning competitors from their market place

2019-07-11 22:10:13 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Political interference

2019-07-11 22:12:20 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Amazon are very large in the hosting and backend services sector too, ET

2019-07-11 22:12:29 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Similar political interference there

2019-07-11 22:12:41 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

These industries alongside social media need regulating

2019-07-11 22:14:06 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Doubt it, System11

2019-07-11 22:15:48 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Nicest solution would be to force digital service companies to open companies in the countries they operate in and ensure all revenue from that country is passed through and taxed via that company

2019-07-11 22:16:28 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

But tbh, i'd prefer they were regulated first as a matter of priority

2019-07-11 22:18:21 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Double tax is your problem, Coolitic

2019-07-11 22:18:42 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

It's up to the USA not to double-tax digital service companies based in the USA

2019-07-11 22:19:02 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

And stuff is double taxed all the time

2019-07-11 22:19:08 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

By the USA as well as other countries

2019-07-11 22:20:03 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I can understand the spite - silicon valley is openly malevolent and evil at this point

2019-07-11 22:20:54 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

If they went, competitors would take their place

2019-07-11 22:20:59 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

People wouldn't need to go without it

2019-07-11 22:22:07 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  


2019-07-11 22:23:46 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I code for a living, darling, i'd be fine

2019-07-11 22:24:27 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

You realise Google Facebook and Twatter don't have the monopoly on user interface

2019-07-11 22:26:05 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

The Internet was a -much- better place before normies ruined it

2019-07-11 22:27:42 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I'm baffled by this insistence that if facebook and twitter went away, suddenly nobody would be able to use a computer

2019-07-11 22:28:08 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Then what is your point

2019-07-11 22:29:08 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

What we're demanding is a level playing field with objective and fairly/equally applied rules, protections against monopolies, protection against political intereference and bias, and appropriate taxation

2019-07-11 22:30:22 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

It'd be like brexit - a shock followed by period of high entropy as people move platforms, and then back to normal

2019-07-11 22:30:56 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Someone else already did

2019-07-11 22:31:14 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

If YT didn't exist, that custom would go elsewhere

2019-07-11 22:31:31 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Lol, of course they would

2019-07-11 22:32:12 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

There are, System11

2019-07-11 22:32:41 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

There are working and scalable alternatives for all these companies

2019-07-11 22:32:46 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

They're just small -now-

2019-07-11 22:32:52 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  


2019-07-11 22:34:53 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

That's retarded, Joey

2019-07-11 22:35:43 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

That's like claiming peasants oppressed under a feudal system are communists because they care about not dying of starvation

2019-07-11 22:36:01 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Youtube lacks a working monetisation model

2019-07-11 22:36:19 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Here? nowhere, Joey

2019-07-11 22:36:32 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  


2019-07-11 22:36:41 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

In places of high crime and no jobs at a push

2019-07-11 22:38:04 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

That being said, the problem with housing in the UK is mainly a problem of mass immigration and retarded government policy which saw rich people usurp the housing market at taxpayer expense

2019-07-11 22:39:08 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Steam? It's garbage

2019-07-11 22:39:21 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

It's a game rental service

2019-07-11 22:40:17 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

w/o steam, an alternative would have come along

2019-07-11 22:41:05 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

It's fucking awful in the UK, Joey

2019-07-11 22:41:31 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

The rental prices are similar in the UK for smaller houses, but on roughly half the salary

2019-07-11 22:42:33 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Wages have been static for 10 years while house prices have not been

2019-07-11 22:43:07 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

The PC gaming market, in the event of sudden death of Steam, would fragment, but would recover

2019-07-11 22:43:27 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

A few things, Joey

2019-07-11 22:44:29 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

When the interest rates went to almost zero, housing became an investment class that attracted a shit ton of money - added to which the government pays 'housing benefit' a welfare which covers rent, and thus you created an investment class whose profit came at the expense of the tax payer

2019-07-11 22:44:58 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Combine that with the fact we're an island with limited scope for expansion, and mass immigration, and you have a recipe for house prices rising faster than wages for prolonged periods

2019-07-11 22:45:40 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I personally hate steam because it doesn't sell games

2019-07-11 22:45:44 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Yet pretends it does

2019-07-11 22:47:29 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

If a platform has the means and right to arbitrarily deprive you of your ability to install and play a game your bought, then it's fundamentally flawed

2019-07-11 22:47:38 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

It's really nothing to do with DRM

2019-07-11 22:48:32 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

All steam need to do is change their "backup" option to include a standalone installer

2019-07-11 22:49:41 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Why the fuck does it need a reason?

2019-07-11 22:50:31 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Doesn't matter how big the client is - the fact is it is a client at all, and they can arbitrarily block your access to it

2019-07-11 22:51:22 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

They have

2019-07-11 22:51:29 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  


2019-07-11 22:51:35 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

They did it to me last year

2019-07-11 22:51:41 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

They ended support for XP

2019-07-11 22:51:53 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Wouldn't connect

2019-07-11 22:51:57 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Couldn't reinstall

2019-07-11 22:52:19 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

You need the client to restore from the backup you daft sod

2019-07-11 22:52:55 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

The model is the problem, Gespa

2019-07-11 22:53:28 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

It's why I don't buy new games

2019-07-11 22:53:30 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

That and they're shit

2019-07-11 22:53:37 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

And I don't have time

2019-07-11 22:54:06 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

The DRM should be done via webservice

2019-07-11 22:54:46 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

You're missing the point, Gespa

2019-07-11 22:55:28 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

It's deliberate building in of deprecation

2019-07-11 22:55:48 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

That's why I argued at the outset you're renting the game, not buying it

2019-07-11 22:56:01 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Of course you are

2019-07-11 22:56:26 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

But on games on CD/DVD or older, provided you have the hardware you can always use them

2019-07-11 22:57:05 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

And what's more important, is given the direction of travel, you will find people being banned on Steam for poltiical views or in-game behaviour

2019-07-11 22:57:18 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Or whatever the platform is at the time (Stadia etc)

2019-07-11 22:58:23 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

It's planned obsolenscence

2019-07-11 22:59:19 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Gespa - if you decide you are going to stop supporting an operating system, then that is planned obsolenscence

2019-07-11 22:59:23 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

That's what the term means

2019-07-11 22:59:29 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

We will stop support x at time y

2019-07-11 22:59:41 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

The reasons are entirely reasonable

2019-07-11 22:59:52 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Of course it's fucking planned

2019-07-11 23:00:09 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Look at Microsoft's website, they state at the outset when they are supporting software until

2019-07-11 23:00:35 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Yes, Coolitic, the reasons for doing it are understandable

2019-07-11 23:00:54 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Viability is irrelevent

2019-07-11 23:01:02 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I'm on Windows 10, btw

2019-07-11 23:01:26 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Me being a boomer doesn't mean you're right when you're clearly not

2019-07-11 23:02:36 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

For someone bitching about strawmen earlier, you're certainly trotting plenty out, COolitic

2019-07-11 23:03:15 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Abandoning XP wasn't the issue

2019-07-11 23:03:35 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  


2019-07-11 23:04:50 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

They did only one thing wrong - they should have made those legacy products entirely offline, removed the DRM from them

2019-07-11 23:05:47 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I don't have an issue with Steam as it is, other than some retarded bugs

2019-07-11 23:06:19 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I hate that they make out you're buying games when you're renting them

2019-07-11 23:07:01 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Shove the EULA up your distended anus, Gespa

2019-07-11 23:09:58 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Literally nobody cares

2019-07-11 23:11:50 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

That's not what open-source means

2019-07-11 23:14:44 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  


2019-07-11 23:15:15 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

It was the being forced to change that made me fall out with Steam because of the way they ended the support

2019-07-11 23:15:56 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Ironically it was Microsoft -sensible- decision to allow the installation of WIndows 10 without a license key that saved me

2019-07-11 23:16:59 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Can't be much longer, System11

2019-07-11 23:17:33 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I have an old laptop running W7, it's got the specs to run W10 but won't because W10 is buggy and there is no value for M$ in fixing it

2019-07-11 23:18:43 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

if it's got 2gb of ram, it should

2019-07-11 23:18:49 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

but chance are it won't because fuck M$

2019-07-11 23:19:26 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

you shouldn't, it's well supported

2019-07-11 23:19:37 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

it'll be the bios that'll fuck you up if anything

2019-07-11 23:19:53 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

hasn't it offered you a w10 upgrade via windows update?

2019-07-11 23:20:18 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

W10 installer has issues with some legacy bioses, Coolitic, it's why it won't install on my old laptop

2019-07-11 23:20:34 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Yes, it does, but not all of them

2019-07-11 23:21:06 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Well that's not Microsoft are telling me

2019-07-11 23:21:23 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

You can download the iso's from their website, System11

2019-07-11 23:21:42 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Windows update on my laptop says otherwise, Gespa

2019-07-11 23:22:14 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Could resize your partition and install on that, System11

2019-07-11 23:22:20 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Bit of a risk attached

2019-07-11 23:23:20 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Sounds like you have a plan then

2019-07-11 23:24:15 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I quit trying to upgrade my laptop because it wasn't sufficiently important, and microsoft "professionals" were just being shit

2019-07-11 23:25:22 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I tried Linux for a year - it's shit

2019-07-11 23:26:17 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Tried a few different ones, but mostly they suffered from the thing linux has suffered since i first tried it 20 years ago - poor hardware support

2019-07-11 23:26:38 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

That and Steam linux support... just isn't there yet

2019-07-11 23:26:54 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Better than it was the last time i tried it, but still not there yet

2019-07-11 23:30:52 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I found it frustrating as the last thing I wanted to do after a day at work is come home and have to fuck around trying to build drivers and edit config files

2019-07-11 23:31:19 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

THat's very much a thing for teenagers and bright eyed young idealists like Coolitic

2019-07-11 23:47:39 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Only beef I had with Steam was their EOL methodology. As a time-poor boomer and sperg, it should be obvious to understand why. It's a shame you and Coolitic were so antagonistic

2019-07-11 23:47:59 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

But I still use Steam, and am reasonably content with it

2019-07-11 23:48:11 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

I'm sorry for shoving a EULA up your anus

2019-07-11 23:48:21 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

Unless you enjoy that kind of thing

Are those dots ascii?

I crawl out of bed to find this

By the way, thank you for your service Laucivol

Vir joined the Labour party...

I like Jeremy Corbyn... as a person

Sounds like someone's been watching "We got a problem/Crimebodge"

So do I, Vir

Can you suck a golf ball up a garden hose though?

Mikey is definitely a twink

This is true, June, however the same armed forces are also utterly required for defending -us-

And you want them onside in a revolution

Who's that, God, Porochenko?

The Russia-facing guy was removed in a pseudo-coup some years ago

The one before the one before the comedfian

Agitated by foreign NGO's funded by people including George Soros

I'm not saying the guy was clean, he was a Russian shill, just that the place is a mess

You have to care about Ukraine, they're the buffer between Europe and Russia

Same reason you should care about what your neighbour does, June

I think Russia would be better in Europe's sphere


lol, it morphed, not died

it morphed into russo-china

Joss Whedon? Nah, he's still OK

Wil Wheaton is the massive cock holster

What is a 'tranny supporter'?

Oh ffs Mikey

That's disappointing, PureEvilPie needs to have his anus ruined

What is it about people with shitty politics like PureEvilPie always picking on people?

He should do, Jack, he has no opinions of his own

ffs Jack, just send them dick pics and get it over with

those others present who appear obsessed with you


hey, that's unfair - i'm old and shrinking

tallness in men correllates negatively with iq

are you like 12, Lune?

You're anorexic girl

Have a burger or two

You're quite a long way underweight, Marie

Stop taking crack already

Healthy weight for 150cm is 48kg

I don't think i've ever met anyone that short

I couldn't countenance dating a midget like Lunemarie, i'd be terrified of breaking her

(no offence)

Taking bets on LuneMarie actually being 12

She's not 12, folks

I wish you all the best, @lunemarie

I have, ebin

They aren't familiar with women, Marie

Everything causes back problems later in life

Using computers for work + pleasure fucks your back up

Trust me I know

Work on your core strength, folks

Consequences have never been the same for some time now

Abuse the assholes

You are abusive, Jack

What's on your mind, Marie?

All men are male

There are no single ladies on the internet, Rolli

What's confusing, Marie?

2019-07-12 17:41:26 UTC [Athens #voulĂ­_politics_discussion]  

EDL/Rommy Tominson belongs to a set of things that is "far more complicated than people want you to believe"


As a scientist i'm not taking the bait

you don't trigger people who genuinely believe that, you shoot them

ffs 😉

i was thinking that

anyway, i got shit to do because i'm not a lazy teenager like you fucking lot

What the hell is going on?

What did I miss? Just Weez being a communist?

I don't know who that is, Jack

She's one of the land whales from reality chav tv

I get it

We know brexit was the right choice because Tony Blair voted remain

And so did Hitler

So we now have crazed lefties trying to bomb an ICE centre?

Best keep an eye on PureEvilPie and Jack for signs of further radicalisation

dogs shit in the street in the uk

and dirty immigrants

just something about foreigners that they shit everywhere and make a mess

must be cultural

Brskr poos on other peoples chests

Must be a kink thing

burn it down, meowzers

sounds like a rich neighbourhood - the last pizza i ate cost me around $1

Tesco 😃

same people who pay $5 for a mug of coffee at a faggot corporate cafe, lucienne

So you can watch?

Yes, Jack, string them up with the gays!

You are in a place where that's not even the most degenerate of sexual shit to go on

What am I seeing there, Luci?

It looks fake

socjus women are not worthy of breeding

nah, they're usually landwhales

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