let me doubel check sec

He was teaching people how to be like Jesus, the sovereign king.

Jesus preached the kingdom of God.

How do you get 132k in fines for preaching???

And how to be a sovereign individual

What the heck

Yea I just saw it Nomad

No, Jesus was telling people how to live forever

Dang thats a lot of fines

That is weird to get a fine for

And he rebuked the pharisees for their evil.

He was also teaching people to be sovereign, Bibleman. I know you know the Bible well enough

It's in there

500 infringement notices

And you know it

Wow thats a lot of fines

good grief

For being sovereign, Brian.

He was teaching people to be humbled and that loving God was the most important commandment.

For. It conforming to the authority of man

For not*

@Bibleman don't deny this extremely valid and biblical subject because I know you know it's true.

Now, Santos drove on those toll roads but didn't pay the toll. The Freeway uses automatic passes that charge you everytime you drive on it, same system used in the US. In Australia they're called Breeze Passes, in New York and a few other states they call them EZ Passes, Florida calls them Sun Passes, etc. Problem being, if you drive through the road without a pass, cameras record your license plate and send you a bill in the mail. Santos ignored those letters, and because of late fees, a trip that cost a few dollars became $144 per trip because of late fees and so at the time of the arrest, Santos owed $132,000 total.

Found it Nomad

It was for refusing to pay tolls on the road

Thats a lot of tolls

Jesus said Render unto ceasar

Just saying

😆

Jesus said render unto ceaser what is ceasers, Santos did not do that.

lol nomad

Maybe he missed that verse

hehe

Taxation is rendering what is ceasers?

You're joking

Yes Nomad

Nope. Taxation is theft

which is why Jesus asked to see a Coin

He was making a point

I don't think that's a correct interpretation

The point is that money is of the world, and we are not to be of the world

Taxation has always been theft

Render unto God what is Gods and unto the government what is due to them

God doesn't tax!!!

This is ludicrous

So pay tax because it doesn't matter and God will provide

Were told to obey the authorities over us Nomad very clearly

Fuck no

How dare you tell me to pay taxes

Even if it is unfair

God said no such thing

Im not telling you

Bibleman just said it

Because it doesn't matter

If you disagree with the bible so much, then stop using it for your doctrine

That's ludicrous

Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God the things that are God's." Romans 13:1 "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God and those which exist are established by God."

**Romans 13:1 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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Being Subject to Authorities

<1> Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. ```

You just said it

What do you think Jesus meant by being in SUBJECTION to the governing authorties?

Just saying

😃

God does not tax

I will say it again nomad

Not does he tell us to comply with taxes

What did Jesus mean by
<1> Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God.

That doesn't mean tax

Those same government authorities are levying the taxes bro

....

Cognitive dissonance

It does not say obey them unless they tax you

It says OBEY

Period

I do not recognize any authority other than God

God institutes all authority.

I do not obey man

God tells you to
<1> Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God.

Yes. **GOD!!**

Not man

He is putting you in subjection by his command right there

Law of agency mate

To be technical, I’m pro American government, however institutions like the Federal Reserve is not an actual part of the Federal government. At any rate, what Brian is saying is true.

God is the one your doing it for ..not some moron in government

😃

Shooting the messenger is shooting the king

Then why concede to a government?

That's contradictory as hell

Because God says to be subject

Because God tells me too

?

Simple as that

I do not consent

Then you disobey God.

Only God matters to me

No

Then you are saying God has no right to command you

Only God matters to me

Which he clearly did when he said be in subjection

to the morons in govt

lol

If that were true you'd so as God says

I am not a fan of govt either bro

Think what you want. I know God has my back and that's literally all that matters.

But he says be in subjection so I am

I dont have to agree with it

Exactly.

I just have to comply

😃

His ways are higher than mine brother Nomad

So allow yourself to be a slave to evil men because God says so?

Sorry, I have issue with that.

We are to endure longsuffering in this life

I allow it ONLY because God commands it...other wise they can pound sand

lol

There's enough suffering without enslavement to evil men.

I have given you the bible passages Nomad honestly thats all I can do brother is show you what God said we are to do

Take it or leave it mate.

Now there is a limit Nomad

If the governing authorioties tell me to murder or Rape

Or break one of Gods laws

I am NOT to obey

Yeah, there is still a hierarchy

and I am to take the punishment from them for disobedience

Because God will reward me in heaven which is where we store our treasures up

😃

Jesus laid his life down, we are to do the same if push comes to shove

And we have hope for the resurrection

Jesus will make us like he is.

Romans 13 does not undermine that posture - it informs it.

Immortal and incorruptible

you’ve all made your points, lets just let it sit for now. i agree with you guys btw theres just a point where it hurts your own arguments to pile on too hard. i think nomad has plenty to think on now

Amen dew and I am done

Ok

Agree with Dew let us just end it now

Lol. Are you serious..

been an interesting night here roche

I don’t think Brian or Bible man were piling on anybody and it definitely didn’t hurt their arguments

It’s morning dew again trying to shut down healthy good conversation so that truth won’t be leaked out. Both Brian and Bibleman were right on point nomad once again did not want to see through the scriptures on what those two were trying to say once again nomad trying to be the island in the middle of the ocean all alone with God not listening to God‘s instructions but just interpreting them as he sees them because he doesn’t trust anybody I’m not sure if he even trusts his wife he’s been brainwashed

Is that you in the pfp?
If so I love your big beard

It is

Nomad I am sorry that some people are like this to you but I respect your beliefs fully and are also still interested in learning more about Syncretism so if you wanna continue chatting another time feel free to pm any time

Thank you very much and I'm not sure why, either. But I will continue to speak with you about this in Direct Messages since it caused a lot of issues, here.

I like to see and learn other views of the world as long they are respectful of others
We may not agree but I respect your view nonetheless

i respect Atheism

Atheist make jokes about Christianity all the time

You do?

very rude ones

so i can say a joke

Making jokes about anything is okay as long as you don't insult specific people

hate speech isnt real

You should be able to make jokes about people with disabillity because not doing it is also discriminitory

And Christians joke about Atheism
So that is fine but just don’t do it to directly insult the other person

True that

says the Atheist

Look, I never made a joke affecting you at all

most Athiests i meet are the most rude people

I am just sayint why it is okay to always make jokes

ive had Atheists call me so many names

That is a generilazation that just isn't fair

I have met many extremely rude religious people

im joking dude

im not insulting either

And atheist too so don’t make a difference

It is like saying everyone in islamism is a terrorist

if you choose to be offended thats your fault

Islam teaches terrorism

read the Quran

Okay, so if that really was a joke it was not delivered good

i dont care

But I appreciate that you didn't mean it like that

i dont hate Atheists

the Bible says to hate someone is like committing murder in your heart

This is supposed to be a holy place can you try to calm down please everybody?

im not angry

Islam has a lot of false moralities but so does the bible

was a general statement for the room in general.

Nah, we are all good here

Not directed at anyone in particular

i gtg

ill ttyl

cya guys

seeya man

God bless you all

It takes more than this to annoy me lol
God bless you too
Even tho I am not christian but I respect your beliefs

Even tho I am not Atheist I respect your beliefs

Atheism is not a belief

yes it is

It is not a religion

No

you believe there is no God

thats a belief

It is just the absence of believing

Agnostics say they dont know

I am super tired and not even gonna try to correct my typos

Atheist say there is no God

thats a belief

Well, not really

i really gtg

cya

Cya

Less broadly, atheism is the rejection of belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which, in its most general form, is the belief that at least one deity exists.

Cya man

Have a good day

you too

Have a awesome day everyone!

you too

Atheists have the biggest belief system

The belief is so strong that they feel the need to seek out belivers in God. Target and attack. Strong belief system but the belief itself is weak and the individual needs to constantly reaffirm their belief by challenging it.

I do agree that although atheism should be a very straightforward thing, it has built a culture of sorts that comes with it.

@Citizen Z Atheists only do this because theists feel the need to attack atheists for their beliefs. Theist attacks on atheists are far more common than the other way around.

Atheists are attacked a lot. It could be that because of this they are always afraid of being attacked so they decide to attack first thinking well I will be attacked anyway so might as well defend myself.

Guess I wrote about what you wrote. Just different words.

I dont get attacked

What is the “divine council” or “assembly of the gods” described in the Bible?

Psalms 82:1 kjv

**Psalm 82:1 - King James Version (KJV)**

```Dust


<1> God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. ```

My atheist grandfather constanty attacks religion

He was always atheist but went to Church every Sunday anyway

Any guess why?

With his wife.

Nope

He tried to get my grandmother to go too but she showed him the finger

My mom was forced to go though

Just so he could attack?

Nope

He prayed like everyone else

Just in case he was wrong?

Nope

Psalms 89:6-8 kjv

**Psalm 89:6-8 - King James Version (KJV)**

```Dust


<6> For who in the heaven can be compared unto the Lord? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the Lord? <7> God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all them that are about him. <8> O Lord God of hosts, who is a strong Lord like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee? ```

Give up?

Yup

He was spying for the communist party

Wow.

God of Hosts is in numerous verses in the Old Testament as well.

Lol that was not what i was expecting

A priest disappeared

My mom was dragged there with him as a cover up

1 Kings 22:19 kjv

**1 Kings 22:19 - King James Version (KJV)**

```Dust


<19> And he said, Hear thou therefore the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. ```

Even today he is a devout commie

I have heard that many Luciferians go to churches to sew discontent and to try to destroy them. Many do so as Priest and other officials within them.

I'd suspect that.