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Sure

how about the horizon rising to your eyeline no matter how high u get another illusion

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their is a lot of illusions taking place out there my point is why is boats going over the curve the only thing thats not an illusion

But the horizon *doesn't* rise to eye level

ok

how about seeing the skyline of chicago from michigan

that is an illusion according to the globe

Ehhh, depends on weather conditions

well when we see it its an illusion

according to the glboe

globe

*Technically*, yes. Though, I'm not sure how much we'd expect to see hidden because I don't have any numbers on me right now

it should all be hidden

the highest building should be hundreds of feet under the curve

I'll go crunch the numbers real quick

@jeremy Okay so, did some research
The distance between Michigan and the Skylines are about 53 miles(85.350 km), the difference in elevation is about 7 meters, give or take, therefore viewer hight is around 8 m. Plugging these numbers into a curvature calculator gives you a hidden height of 373 meters. The highest buildings in the NY skyline are around 440 meters tall, so using *standard* numbers for refraction, you'd expect to see about 100 meters of building standing out.

ok well we know we are seeing more than the curve accounts for thats not a debate

the excuse is refraction light bending whatever

once again why its happenning isnt important

we know we see more than we should

noone is doubting we see more than we should

I mean you still have to explain *why* we see more than we should. Especially since on certain days we see *less* than we should. We know refraction is a thing because we can test it on smaller scales too, so it's less of an excuse and more the best explanation for the phenomenon

globe and flat people both know we see more than the globe accounts for

i can tell ur in favor of obethe gl

in favor of the globe

Well I mean even if you ignore refraction you have 444 meters hidden

so would u agree what we are seeing is an illusion

Yes, refraction is, for all intents and purposes, an illusion

lol

we know thier is a lot of illusions taking place when we look out over a body of water would u say

Depends on the kind of illusion

nevermind

forget it

This is where the *why something happens* part is important lol

i understand that

im just saying their is a lot of illusions taking place when we look out over a body of water

Yeet

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Yes

whats yeet lol

oh ok

so lots of illusions taking place out there

it's the furry way of saying yes

but the boats going over the curve is real

why that one thing

thats the only thing thats real out there everything else is an illusion

the cherry picked observations

they cherry picked

I mean you didn't say *everything else* is an illusion, you yourself said *lots of things* are an illusion

It's unclear whether or not boats are passing over the horizon or not.

You have two positions here:
i) Boats are in fact passing over the horizon.
ii) Boats passing over the horizon is an illusion, therefore the illusion needs an explanation, or an alternative solution.

Now, the way we test such things is by constructing both a hypothesis, and a null-hypothesis

What that basically means is that we analyze what we would *expect* to see if one of the positions were true

And the counter-position would then become the null-hypothesis

the explenation is they appear to be going over the horizon but its perspective angular resolution and refraction that appear to be making the boat look like its going over the curve

is their an experiment for why we see chicago from michigan ?

What kind of experiment would you look for?

i would also throw the inverse square law into the perspective refraction and angular resolution as to why the boats appear to be going over a curve

some sort of proof that it would be possible to see chicago from michigan from behind a curve an experiment that proved that

I..I mean. You could get a buddy who lives near the lake and tell them to take a picture at different elevations and see how much of the buildings you can and can't see

Then crunch the numbers and see if they match reality

more experiments should be done before we start assuming things

i dont think their could even be curved water int he first place

im not a flat earther but im not a globe earther either

i want some proof

@jeremy tides prove water isn't flat over large bodied

Uhm

You know water drops are curved, right..?

the ocean is curved and water drops are curved are you saying they are curved for the same reason ?

More or less, yes

Those are different causes

gravity is pulling the water to the center of earth so the water droplet is curved ?

No the drop is surface tension

or is it surface tension

yeah i know

It's falling bc of gravity

not the same thing

And tides are due to tidal gravity

i can show u a water droplet curved that isnt falling though

Cohesive and adhesive forces pulling water molecules together

Hi ive just became a flat earther

surface tension can happen in a glass of water

Yep

But tides is something else

But your exact words were "I don't believe that water curves"

Yet, since droplets can curve, water can demonstrably curve too

I like how the earth is round

i dont believe a large body of water not in a container can curve let me specify

Now that's a lot better

lol

u guys are nitpicky

Language is important bud

yeah

so thats waht i believe if not for surface tension water doesnt curve

surface tension and gravity pulling the oceans to the center of earth are 2 totally different things

one is real one is a theory

Both are real

water doesnt curve its a form of oceanic force that keeps the water on earth and my third eye open