Message from @jeremy
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Sorry I was trying to make an easy point but then I had someone last night argue with me for hours that the water does appear to be above our feet
I'm not sure how they came to that conclusion.
They either misunderstood you, or they don't understand perspective.
So would u say that’s an illusion when u see the water above your feet
I'm not entirely sure that illusion is the best word here, but for the sake of the argument, yes.
U see something but it’s not real is that an illusion
*I guess*
Maybe *optical illusion* would be a bit better
il·lu·sion
/iˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
a thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses.
seeing is a sense
we are perceiving the water above our feet
Yeah, okay, that's a good point
its isnt above our feet
so is the first thing we see at the ocean which is the water above our feet an illusion
?
Sure
how about the horizon rising to your eyeline no matter how high u get another illusion
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their is a lot of illusions taking place out there my point is why is boats going over the curve the only thing thats not an illusion
But the horizon *doesn't* rise to eye level
how about seeing the skyline of chicago from michigan
that is an illusion according to the globe
Ehhh, depends on weather conditions
well when we see it its an illusion
according to the glboe
globe
*Technically*, yes. Though, I'm not sure how much we'd expect to see hidden because I don't have any numbers on me right now
it should all be hidden
the highest building should be hundreds of feet under the curve
I'll go crunch the numbers real quick
@jeremy Okay so, did some research
The distance between Michigan and the Skylines are about 53 miles(85.350 km), the difference in elevation is about 7 meters, give or take, therefore viewer hight is around 8 m. Plugging these numbers into a curvature calculator gives you a hidden height of 373 meters. The highest buildings in the NY skyline are around 440 meters tall, so using *standard* numbers for refraction, you'd expect to see about 100 meters of building standing out.
ok well we know we are seeing more than the curve accounts for thats not a debate
the excuse is refraction light bending whatever
once again why its happenning isnt important
we know we see more than we should
noone is doubting we see more than we should
I mean you still have to explain *why* we see more than we should. Especially since on certain days we see *less* than we should. We know refraction is a thing because we can test it on smaller scales too, so it's less of an excuse and more the best explanation for the phenomenon
globe and flat people both know we see more than the globe accounts for
i can tell ur in favor of obethe gl
in favor of the globe