*Technically*, yes. Though, I'm not sure how much we'd expect to see hidden because I don't have any numbers on me right now

it should all be hidden

the highest building should be hundreds of feet under the curve

I'll go crunch the numbers real quick

@jeremy Okay so, did some research
The distance between Michigan and the Skylines are about 53 miles(85.350 km), the difference in elevation is about 7 meters, give or take, therefore viewer hight is around 8 m. Plugging these numbers into a curvature calculator gives you a hidden height of 373 meters. The highest buildings in the NY skyline are around 440 meters tall, so using *standard* numbers for refraction, you'd expect to see about 100 meters of building standing out.

ok well we know we are seeing more than the curve accounts for thats not a debate

the excuse is refraction light bending whatever

once again why its happenning isnt important

we know we see more than we should

noone is doubting we see more than we should

I mean you still have to explain *why* we see more than we should. Especially since on certain days we see *less* than we should. We know refraction is a thing because we can test it on smaller scales too, so it's less of an excuse and more the best explanation for the phenomenon

globe and flat people both know we see more than the globe accounts for

i can tell ur in favor of obethe gl

in favor of the globe

Well I mean even if you ignore refraction you have 444 meters hidden

so would u agree what we are seeing is an illusion

Yes, refraction is, for all intents and purposes, an illusion

lol

we know thier is a lot of illusions taking place when we look out over a body of water would u say

Depends on the kind of illusion

nevermind

forget it

This is where the *why something happens* part is important lol

i understand that

im just saying their is a lot of illusions taking place when we look out over a body of water

Yeet

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Yes

whats yeet lol

oh ok

so lots of illusions taking place out there

it's the furry way of saying yes

but the boats going over the curve is real

why that one thing

thats the only thing thats real out there everything else is an illusion

the cherry picked observations

they cherry picked

I mean you didn't say *everything else* is an illusion, you yourself said *lots of things* are an illusion

It's unclear whether or not boats are passing over the horizon or not.

You have two positions here:
i) Boats are in fact passing over the horizon.
ii) Boats passing over the horizon is an illusion, therefore the illusion needs an explanation, or an alternative solution.

Now, the way we test such things is by constructing both a hypothesis, and a null-hypothesis