idk why its sad im trying to figure out if the observation is real

does the observation match whats really happenning

cause the boats going over the curve and the fact we see too far is important

Uhm

I'm having trouble following you. Are you trying to figure out whether it *seems* like the water is rising, or whether it's *actually* rising?

Sorry I was trying to make an easy point but then I had someone last night argue with me for hours that the water does appear to be above our feet

I'm not sure how they came to that conclusion.

They either misunderstood you, or they don't understand perspective.

So would u say that’s an illusion when u see the water above your feet

I'm not entirely sure that illusion is the best word here, but for the sake of the argument, yes.

U see something but it’s not real is that an illusion

*I guess*

Maybe *optical illusion* would be a bit better

il·lu·sion
/iˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
a thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses.

seeing is a sense

we are perceiving the water above our feet

Yeah, okay, that's a good point

its isnt above our feet

so is the first thing we see at the ocean which is the water above our feet an illusion

?

Sure

how about the horizon rising to your eyeline no matter how high u get another illusion

?

their is a lot of illusions taking place out there my point is why is boats going over the curve the only thing thats not an illusion

But the horizon *doesn't* rise to eye level

ok

how about seeing the skyline of chicago from michigan

that is an illusion according to the globe

Ehhh, depends on weather conditions

well when we see it its an illusion

according to the glboe

globe

*Technically*, yes. Though, I'm not sure how much we'd expect to see hidden because I don't have any numbers on me right now

it should all be hidden

the highest building should be hundreds of feet under the curve

I'll go crunch the numbers real quick

@jeremy Okay so, did some research
The distance between Michigan and the Skylines are about 53 miles(85.350 km), the difference in elevation is about 7 meters, give or take, therefore viewer hight is around 8 m. Plugging these numbers into a curvature calculator gives you a hidden height of 373 meters. The highest buildings in the NY skyline are around 440 meters tall, so using *standard* numbers for refraction, you'd expect to see about 100 meters of building standing out.

ok well we know we are seeing more than the curve accounts for thats not a debate

the excuse is refraction light bending whatever

once again why its happenning isnt important

we know we see more than we should