we know we see more than we should

noone is doubting we see more than we should

I mean you still have to explain *why* we see more than we should. Especially since on certain days we see *less* than we should. We know refraction is a thing because we can test it on smaller scales too, so it's less of an excuse and more the best explanation for the phenomenon

globe and flat people both know we see more than the globe accounts for

i can tell ur in favor of obethe gl

in favor of the globe

Well I mean even if you ignore refraction you have 444 meters hidden

so would u agree what we are seeing is an illusion

Yes, refraction is, for all intents and purposes, an illusion

lol

we know thier is a lot of illusions taking place when we look out over a body of water would u say

Depends on the kind of illusion

nevermind

forget it

This is where the *why something happens* part is important lol

i understand that

im just saying their is a lot of illusions taking place when we look out over a body of water

Yeet

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Yes

whats yeet lol

oh ok

so lots of illusions taking place out there

it's the furry way of saying yes

but the boats going over the curve is real

why that one thing

thats the only thing thats real out there everything else is an illusion

the cherry picked observations

they cherry picked

I mean you didn't say *everything else* is an illusion, you yourself said *lots of things* are an illusion

It's unclear whether or not boats are passing over the horizon or not.

You have two positions here:
i) Boats are in fact passing over the horizon.
ii) Boats passing over the horizon is an illusion, therefore the illusion needs an explanation, or an alternative solution.

Now, the way we test such things is by constructing both a hypothesis, and a null-hypothesis

What that basically means is that we analyze what we would *expect* to see if one of the positions were true

And the counter-position would then become the null-hypothesis

the explenation is they appear to be going over the horizon but its perspective angular resolution and refraction that appear to be making the boat look like its going over the curve

is their an experiment for why we see chicago from michigan ?

What kind of experiment would you look for?

i would also throw the inverse square law into the perspective refraction and angular resolution as to why the boats appear to be going over a curve

some sort of proof that it would be possible to see chicago from michigan from behind a curve an experiment that proved that

I..I mean. You could get a buddy who lives near the lake and tell them to take a picture at different elevations and see how much of the buildings you can and can't see