when u look at the horizon

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jsut like the floor in the hallway rises up its perspective

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Oh, that's what you mean by *rise up*

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what do u think rising up means

appears to be above

higher than

It's a weird way to describe *converging towards the eye level*

well the water is coming from ur feet then going up toward ur eye level

i call that rising up

appearing to rise up

we know its not really rising up though and the water is actually beneath ur feet so the first thing we see at the ocean is an illusion due to perspective

Yes, but the water isn't *rising* anywhere. Because of perspective, the line of sight between you and the water converges towards your line of sight, meeting in infinity. That's what we call the *vanishing point*

thats waht i said appears to be rising

thats why i said

we know its not rising it is actually beneath ur feet

i wasnt talking about why i was jsut talking about what u see we know why it happens

I mean sure but it's just a really weird way of describing it, there's better words you could use. Just look at that hallway pic Mike posted. The floor is *converging* towards your line of sight, it's not really *rising up*.

it appears to be rising up

It's just semantics, but it's important semantics

does the water at the ocean appear to be flat lowering or rising up ?

It appears to be *converging* towards your line of sight.

You know what converging means, right?

which would be up from ur feet?

down from ur feet or flat from ur feet?

its going from the bottom of ur feet up to ur eyeline

thats what u see

Wh..I mean *yes* but it's still level *to* your feet, so using the phrase *rising up* can be ambiguous and confusing

That's why you use *converge*

its confusing cause we are seeing an illusion

Since it's the correct word to use when talking about optics

we know its not rising up like it appears to be

*Dude are you reading what I'm saying*?

the water appears to be higher than your feet

yes i see what ur saying

have u ever stood at the beach and looked into the ocean

Yes I have, but that's irrelevant here, I'm commenting on your usage of words to describe phenomenon

does the water appear to be 1. above 2 below 3. right at your feet

pick one

its the way u see it

It *appears* to be "above" my feet.

ok

why u use quotes

above is above

Because it's not *actually* above my feet.

we know its not actually above we are just talking about what u see

u see it appear to be above ur feet

*Yes*

we know its not actually above ur feet

jesus

are u a globe believer

I am, but I like to challenge every view, and more importantly correct incorrect science on both sides.

ok well now we have established the water appears to be above your feet at the ocean but we know it isnt the first thing we see when looking out into the ocean is not true to what is really happenning

would u say the observation of the water appearing to be above ou r feet matcehs reality ?

matches reality ?

It depends on what you mean by *matching reality*

The fact that the water surface converges towards your line of sight is simply a byproduct of how perspective works.

So by those standards, yes, trigonometry does indeed match reality

we see the water appearing to be above our feet does that observation match reality reality meaning is the water actually above our feet

idk what reality means to u to me it means what is happening in real life

we are jsut talking is what u see is what is real

Matching reality would in his case mean that the water being above our feet would be *factually correct*, which, no, it isn't factually correct, as it's a visual phenomenon that's happening. It's real in the sense that it's what we expect to see due to perspective, but it's not *factually* happening.

not talking about why or math or angles or perspective.

just is what we see real is the water really above ur feet

The mathematics here is what explains it though. No, the water isn't above our feet. It just appears to be because of mathematics

dont need an explenation or reaason why it happens

we know why it appears that way

..you don't want to know why something happens?

im trying to find out if what we see is real

the first observation out to sea isnt

because the water isnt above our feet in real life

That's a bit..sad my dude, no offense.

?

we know how perspective works

im trying to figure out if our observations when we look out to sea are real or not

because when we see too far thats an illusion also thats not real

You're trying to figure out if the water is actually above our feet..?

idk why its sad im trying to figure out if the observation is real

does the observation match whats really happenning

cause the boats going over the curve and the fact we see too far is important

Uhm

I'm having trouble following you. Are you trying to figure out whether it *seems* like the water is rising, or whether it's *actually* rising?

Sorry I was trying to make an easy point but then I had someone last night argue with me for hours that the water does appear to be above our feet

I'm not sure how they came to that conclusion.

They either misunderstood you, or they don't understand perspective.

So would u say that’s an illusion when u see the water above your feet

I'm not entirely sure that illusion is the best word here, but for the sake of the argument, yes.

U see something but it’s not real is that an illusion

*I guess*

Maybe *optical illusion* would be a bit better

il·lu·sion
/iˈlo͞oZHən/
noun
a thing that is or is likely to be wrongly perceived or interpreted by the senses.

seeing is a sense

we are perceiving the water above our feet

Yeah, okay, that's a good point

its isnt above our feet

so is the first thing we see at the ocean which is the water above our feet an illusion