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2018-07-20 13:24:14 UTC

@Willem Petzer what do you think of this, Peter Hammond is apparently a kinist:

2018-07-20 13:33:34 UTC

what is kinism?

2018-07-20 13:45:13 UTC

The belief that Christians should only marry within their own tribal, ethnic group

2018-07-20 13:45:13 UTC

Ditsem! @Malcolm the Seceder, you just advanced to level 6!

2018-07-20 13:46:08 UTC

you guys up for a debate on this?

2018-07-20 13:46:35 UTC

thanks for the elaboration @Malcolm the Seceder

2018-07-20 13:47:45 UTC

Um, I think it's best to stick to one's own group but I wouldn't make a rule about it.

2018-07-20 13:48:10 UTC

fair stance

2018-07-20 13:49:06 UTC

I think group is more cultural than racial, and those thoughts are pretty default

2018-07-20 14:21:42 UTC

What does the bible say about it?

2018-07-20 14:22:54 UTC

Depends who you ask.

2018-07-20 14:23:17 UTC

I think they use the commands to the Jews not to intermingle as their basis

2018-07-20 14:24:50 UTC

as I said, it seems like a fair default position. but I always think that the reactionary racial thing is _also_ driven by neomarxists hell bent on dividing the enemy(christians).

2018-07-20 14:25:33 UTC

ie let's break off some of the opposition into nazism (racial socialism)

2018-07-20 14:28:35 UTC

Yeah. If someone of an ethnic minority is a true Christian I'm less concerned about intermarriage. But I wouldn't encourage it

2018-07-20 14:29:57 UTC

well, you would if the person was charming and intelligent and hard working and rich and courting your daughter, surely (and a Christian)

2018-07-20 14:30:30 UTC

and legit (ie has family and they are normal)

2018-07-20 14:30:32 UTC

I mean generally

2018-07-20 14:30:35 UTC

not a con man

2018-07-20 14:31:40 UTC

I think in general encouraging anything for or against in the field of marriage for people unrelated to us is impinging on free will

2018-07-20 14:33:53 UTC

Well I doing believe in free will per se

2018-07-20 14:36:03 UTC


2018-07-20 14:39:01 UTC

Nope. But as for marriage I would probably raise my children to value continuing their own people. But as I said an exception here or there doesn't concern me too much

2018-07-20 14:42:29 UTC

I am not cool with multiculturism, i dont see the point of marrying different cultures... Not bothered by race though, I think naturally we go for what is familiar to us, however for some, the relate on different grounds. I think it is important to observe same values and ideas more importantly than appearances.

2018-07-20 14:43:38 UTC

I think I don't believe in free will is an interesting topic for theology, I think a people is cultural, not racial African Americans aren't African I don't see any soapstone or giraffe carving happening in Chicago

2018-07-20 14:44:12 UTC

I think I don't believe in free will is an interesting topic for theology, I think a people is cultural, not racial African Americans aren't African I don't see any soapstone or giraffe carving happening in Chicago

2018-07-20 14:44:33 UTC

I would say no to marrying outwith the faith.

2018-07-20 15:18:15 UTC

But if you breed out the genes that create the impulses that form behaviour which in tern forms the inteplay of behaviour between people which in turn form norms and habits and traditions...then you destroy the very genetic soil out of which a culture grows.

2018-07-20 15:20:02 UTC

I'd say no marrying outside of your race. I can always convince a kinsman about my faith, but I can never make him/her white again.

2018-07-20 15:20:40 UTC

I think culture shapes us biologically, not the other way around... What you imply is a source, I observe as a result

2018-07-20 15:23:39 UTC

This is not a chicken or egg argument. Culture is the collective outward behavioural expression of a population group.

If what you are saying is true, why do non-whites consistently form the bulk of prison populations even when raised or assimilated in other cultures?

2018-07-20 15:25:19 UTC

Abstractions don't create anything. People create abstractions.

2018-07-20 15:27:36 UTC

Because they dont have the right set of ideas, they have never developed and progressed ideologically, hence they never progressed biologically or even technologically. Their inability to even feed themselves properly suffered them malnutrition, which biologically affected and regressed their biological development, like having a high IQ for example... doesnt mean they cant achieve it if they accept the right set of ideas.

2018-07-20 15:29:02 UTC

Where do Ideas come from?

2018-07-20 15:29:02 UTC

Ditsem! @$P!KY\/!k!NG, you just advanced to level 2!

2018-07-20 15:30:28 UTC

They dont come from anywhere lol all ideas are repititions of older ideas, simply updated in a more modern context... Ideas are observed, not created. Ideas are ever present.

2018-07-20 15:33:49 UTC

Peter Hammonds lack of use of the term Kinism, does not necessarily make him free from the doctrine of kinism. What do you make of this?

"I have discussed this matter with numerous pastors, theologians and authors throughout South Africa, in Europe and in America. Almost every one of them has agreed that the social and domestic consequences of interracial and inter-cultural marriages are disastrous. Most also agreed that they believed that such unions were unBiblical. However, only a few were willing to speak out openly against it, from the pulpit, or in counselling. There are a number of fine missions in Africa, experiencing Spiritual Revival, whose founders and directors have told me directly that they never have, and never will, marry people of different races, as they believe that to be sin.

I have many friends of all races. However, to marry across the colour line would be to me to betray my parents and all of our ancestors, and my children and future generations. Most importantly I believe it would be a betrayal to Almighty God, who has set the boundaries between nations."

It seems to me that he identifies ethnicity and culture. These are two separate things.

2018-07-20 15:37:20 UTC

Indeed, one is material the other spiritual... Some lean towards one and another some lean towards the other, while others are balanced between the two.

2018-07-20 15:41:54 UTC

How can an idea be observed if it didn't originate from somewhere? ??

2018-07-20 15:43:18 UTC

The bible is perfectly clear that interracial marriage is a sin and that mongrels are to be rejected and ejected from the volk.

2018-07-20 15:43:19 UTC

because somewhere has to exist within time and space.... ideas dont exist in time and space

2018-07-20 15:43:53 UTC

Where do ideas exist?

2018-07-20 15:47:05 UTC

How can you observe anything that doesn't exist in time or space?

2018-07-20 15:47:12 UTC

Again, "where" assumes a location within time and space. if you are going think strictly in terms of materialism, your interpretations will be prejudiced in favor of materialism.

2018-07-20 15:49:26 UTC

also care to provide some verses for the argument that the bible opposes interracial marriage?

2018-07-20 15:51:46 UTC

@SheamusHow many verses would be sufficient?

2018-07-20 15:52:05 UTC

As many as you can share please?

2018-07-20 15:52:42 UTC

Cool. How can one observe anything that doesn't exist in time and space?

2018-07-20 15:56:13 UTC

instead of seeing, you can observe, and instead of hearing, you can listen. Instead of feeling, you can think. It leads to understanding as opposed to judgement. If you going to judge, you should judge righteous judgement, not on appearances, and appearances being a reference to how something makes you feel, which tends to be pretty shallow reactions, as opposed to in depth responses.

2018-07-20 15:57:41 UTC

How about those verses please? want to look into that

2018-07-20 16:33:39 UTC

How do you observe without your senses???

Deut 23:2
Jos 23:7
Jos 23:12
1 Ki 11:2
Ezr 10:2-18
Ezr 10:44
Neh 13:27
Pro 5:20
Pro 7:5
Pro 22:14
Jud 1:7

2018-07-20 16:35:23 UTC

Daniel also points to the strife at the end times because the nations will become mixed like iron and clay but will not cling to each other.

2018-07-20 16:37:14 UTC

I mean damn the whole book is about bloodlines of Adam. It would make sense that his Creator would want to preserve it.

2018-07-20 16:39:06 UTC

One can also see that when the israelites enter the promised land they are commanded to kill everything of some nations but spare the women of others... the reason should be obvious...

2018-07-20 16:42:34 UTC

Edom/Esau also lost his birthright because he was a racemixer.

2018-07-20 16:44:22 UTC

Yeah I am reading each verse, so far nothing pointing out specific races, but rather focused on cultures really. I can see as a materialist how one can imply it as race, but then how do you reason with verses like "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" or "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."....but will read through them all and see if there is anything i missed that might give legitimacy to your material basis.

2018-07-20 16:49:49 UTC

Those are both quotes from Paul (whom I persobally find to be a questionable character). So you have one witness, I gave you many.

"Adam" or man as it is translated was the the father of all the nations of genesis 10. They were all of one race. Many nations. One race. Many cultures. One race.

2018-07-20 16:55:21 UTC

lol of course you would find Paul questionable... His words dont jive with your feelings. Jer 17:9 โ€œThe heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?โ€

2018-07-20 17:20:28 UTC

@Sheamus I find him questionable beacause his word dont jive with the rest of scripture if you interpret hom as you do.

2018-07-20 17:20:28 UTC

Ditsem! @$P!KY\/!k!NG, you just advanced to level 3!

2018-07-20 17:21:06 UTC

So then state your case, lets investigate it together.

2018-07-20 17:21:43 UTC

I just did.

2018-07-20 17:22:03 UTC

With the whole bunch of verses I gave you...

2018-07-20 17:23:03 UTC

yeah no, doesnt tell me much about race, just culture, ideology... which is what the literature is founded upon.

2018-07-20 17:24:16 UTC

Deut 23:2 specifically points to mongrels.

2018-07-20 17:24:51 UTC

The book is called "the book of the race of Adam".

2018-07-20 17:27:39 UTC

If it was about culture, why send away the children? You could just raise the children as "jews". Why kill all the people of certain nations and spare the women of others? If it was merely about religious influence, why keep the "strangers" outside of the temple?

2018-07-20 17:28:19 UTC

lol like i said, you can interpret it as material, so you interpret it as inter-race but you could have inter-faith mongrels too you know. really a matter of perspective. Now the fact that you have to reject other parts of the literature just to justify you understanding kinda shows that you dont understand the whole literature, you arent very wholesome. "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" and "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

2018-07-20 17:32:46 UTC

Point to a single instance in scripture where a mongrel is anything but what it says in plain language- a mongrel lol. There is no such teaching anywhere in the scriptures. I can reject the testimony of a single witness by the very instruction of the scripture itself. I gove you multiple witnesses throughout the text and you reject all of them!!

We call this projection...

2018-07-20 17:35:41 UTC

Oh I forgot the most important one lol the story phineas who slew the racemixer as he was banging the "ousie" ๐Ÿ˜

2018-07-20 17:35:42 UTC

Yes, it describes other ideologies, you perceive other races. You have a prejudice towards race, and so your interpretation will be tainted by the subjectivity of your prejudice.

2018-07-20 17:36:48 UTC

Mamzer means a BASTERD a MONGREL. Strange FLESH not strange ideas.

2018-07-20 17:40:36 UTC

thanks, alienate really is a suitable enough word to support the argument.

2018-07-20 17:46:05 UTC

I like mongrel ๐Ÿ˜‚

2018-07-20 17:47:55 UTC

The gnostic texts also had some interesting thoughts on the matter. But I'll have to go dig those out somewhere.

2018-07-20 18:26:41 UTC

Jud 1:11 should rouse some thoughts on the matter as well.

2018-07-20 18:30:08 UTC

โ€œWoe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.โ€ What is your understanding of those words?

2018-07-20 18:33:47 UTC

Balaam taught racemixing and cain was a bastard and the progenitor of the kenites who were bastards as well.

2018-07-20 18:48:33 UTC

You are just telling me what you think Balaam is, I asked for your interpretation of the whole verse. What is the way of Cain, what is it to run greedily after the error of what you think Balaam is, what is it to be perished in gainsaying of core, what is gainsaying of core even? Give me your full understanding of that verse is what i requested.

2018-07-20 18:59:04 UTC

If you just read the book you would know WHO Balaam was and what he did. I you study the texts you would know WHAT Cain was, who his descendants were and why they are to be destroyed. You kind of remind me of Balaam ๐Ÿ˜‚

2018-07-20 19:03:46 UTC

I am not asking you because I dont know, I am asking you because I want to see how you make sense of that. So you aren't going to reason with me then?

2018-07-20 19:06:39 UTC

You haven't reasoned at all. Why would I?

2018-07-20 19:08:32 UTC

K, keep to your ways then

2018-07-20 19:15:01 UTC

Of course ๐Ÿ˜‚why the hell would I breed out my own genes?!๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ or condone it at all. Even animals have more sense than that.

2018-07-20 19:18:50 UTC

I never said you had to now did I?

2018-07-20 19:19:36 UTC

Consent is bad enough! ๐Ÿ˜‚

2018-07-20 19:20:16 UTC


2018-07-20 19:28:23 UTC

If I had to choose between a reasonable and faithful christian woman of a different race, or a white degenerate commie snowflake, I would make the reasonable choice, and I don't see how that is such a terrible thing, but as I have stated in my first message, we tend to choose what's more familiar to us. It is reasonable to expect me to choose a white christian woman over a different colored christian, because I would be more familiar with the former than the latter, where in the first example, I would be more familiar with the different racial christian than the snowflake commie. That's my reasoning for what belief I hold, and is consistent with the literature... You can interpret different race if you care to, but I interpret different culture/ideology.

2018-07-20 19:30:57 UTC

If you want to degenerate your seed and be cucked with the snowflake commie because you didnt like the color of another christian, that is your choice, you are free to send your seed to damnation.

2018-07-20 19:39:01 UTC

๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ wait this is gold!!! Did you just define mixing with a white snowflake commie as getting cucked but breeding with a different race is not????!!!!!! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚


2018-07-20 19:40:11 UTC

Not that I mix with commie snowflakes regarrdless of race.

2018-07-20 19:40:31 UTC

Of course, you have to subject yourself to their will if you want to have anything to do with them. I dunno if you have noticed, but they dont exactly like Straight White Cis Gendered Christian Men

2018-07-20 19:42:27 UTC

Yes because those evil nazis were mostly straight white christian males...

2018-07-20 19:44:40 UTC

What??? lol, what even?

2018-07-20 19:54:00 UTC

Simple question dude, entertain the idea if you have the capacity to do so... you have two choices, a healthy looking reasonable black christian woman, or a white slutty blue haired wiccan snowflake. You choose which motherland you will continue your seed with. How do you reason and judge righteously between those two options?

2018-07-20 19:55:06 UTC

Do you choose to remain faithful to God, or do you abandon and deny God just to maintain your racial purity?

2018-07-20 19:58:24 UTC

Are these the only two options?

2018-07-20 20:00:36 UTC

Yes, told you to entertain it if you have the capacity to do so

2018-07-20 20:00:44 UTC

@$P!KY\/!k!NG would you describe yourself as a kinist or are you still working it out? Are you a professing Christian?

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