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Is history wiped
Seems like it
Lurking eyes 👀
It is all Antifa's fault ... they never heard of Willem or Gouws
Yeah when Trump tweeted, they needed to take action and stifle the public conversation... funny how it was open for the public and no formal complaints lodged...
Looks like it will be a big week for fake news, will get worse as midterms approach. I have plenty of examples if anyone is interested. Kinda hesitant to post now b/c first Willems channel was nuked then this one was carpet bombed.
Dont be, post away. aslong as it is within the rules... just no nazi jokes, because they can nazi the humor in it.
@Sheamus so one chan troll or commie comes along and posts trigger will the channel get "wiped with a cloth" ?
https://twitter.com/MaS1banda/status/1032615317976100864?s=19 The left complaining about the Media...Lol we've peaked 😂
@midwest I dont think whole channel will be, perhaps just the little spill of milk will be wiped up.
Memes dead if it is, but at least we did our duty
@Rendier, these racial identity politics from the DA are not going to fly, my dude. Just this week Maimane reiterated how the DA are the non-racial party...
Even if you put the political debate aside, just from an optics perspective, this looks really bad, in the same week you remind voters of the DA's non-racial approach.
@Darkseid They are supposed to save us from the ANC ... at this stage they can't even organize a pissup in a brewery.
LOL @ Steve Hofmeyr defining the meaning of Genocide and how it applies to Afrikaners :).
can you see dailywire?
What is eff
Wait, buzzfeed is higher quality than info wars?
I subscribe to CRTV here in the US, and it was Gavin McInnis on his show "Get Off My Lawn" first informed me of the plight of farmer murders in S. Africa. Otherwise, it is a complete media blackout.
It's just a personal preference to be honest. I'm not that fond of BuzzFeed either, but they're not yelling at the top of their lungs to get their message across either. He's straight up cancer and makes me feel all icky inside lol 😂 @Sheamus
It's not a complete media blackout..atleast on YouTube..I've seen a few journalistic type channels shedding light on a multitude of issues that affect white afrikaans or farmers. @LargePizza
You just have to find them. Most American's don't care or know about anywhere else other than America..so..That would explain the majority of the issue there.
@ZombieQueen Alex Jones is mostly irritating, became he mostly blows his own horn, but he and the rest of InfoWars sometimes produce some high quality investigating journalism. My theory is that if if MSM ignores the exposure of a conspiracy or claims it to be a conspiracy theory without debunking it with facts, it is probably a conspiracy. The fact that InfoWars was removed from the majority of platforms on the same day, proves that they at least sometimes expose things which some people don't wat to be exposed.
There is more truth in info wars at any given time than CNN. Lol it's sad that that's fast becoming a fact.
@Sheamus Apparently I can't. 😂 😂 At least not that kind of performance. He is far too much conspiracy and not enough concrete (unbiased) proof to really seduce me over to kool-aid land just yet...or ever. Lol
But, I can't argue that those platforms have censored him...no matter how much I dislike him..I can't agree with stifling his voice even though I personally think he's a wingnut..but yeah..censorship is bad, mmkay?
Here is a link to an article. It shows how over 30 media outlets are centrally funded by one globalist billionaire named George Soros. He funds almost 300 non-profits here in the United States with the goal of changing the culture of our country to move it toward a global governance, what he refers to as a "new world order". He is a very dangerous man, as he has broken countries financially for personal financial gain. I would not be surprised if he were funding much of the turmoil there in S. Africa. Here in the US he funded "Black Lives Matter", a group that divides this country based on the color of their skin. https://www.mrc.org/commentary/over-30-major-news-organizations-linked-george-soros
@ZombieQueen you are missing the point lol you aren't supposed to be ignoring other sources because of how they make you feel, if you ignore something, it makes you ignorant. Don't be ignorant. Read all the sources you can, and compare. What they agree on is objective fact, what they disagree on is their narrative. Don't be ignorant, or you end up in an echo chamber.
@LargePizza might be worth checking into it, any local shit stirrers with unknown supplier.
I don't ignore him based on the way I feel, I said I ignore him because most of what I hear from him are conspiracies that can't be proved. I cannot support such content or "Journalism." And I ignore extreme leftist and right-wing mainstream media like the plague..Fox News, Huff Post, BuzzFeed, etc. @Sheamus
Good for them. Lol. I'm quite the anomaly, I'm not most women, and am genuine interested and active in regards to politics. Most people are either casual with their politics or completely disinterested. I'm neither. I'm quite passionate about politics lol. @LargePizza
@ZombieQueen again, you are missing the point. Remember, historically, conspiracies have turned out to be true. You are denying that possibility. Don't be ignorant. You can entertain ideas without accepting them.
So, aliens exist and lent a helping hand in creating our cavillations? Has that been proven to be fact? I entertain all kind of ideas that I don't necessarily agree with, I just choose who I consume those ideas from carefully. @Sheamus
civilizations* wtf? Lol
@LargePizza I agree. South Africa seems to be used as the canary in the cole mine by the New World Order. How do you impose white guilt to convince people to surrender the capitalist governing of a 1st world country to communists and turn it into a 3rd world country. How do you keep most people poor so they are easily convinced to support the Socialist government. Does open borders help to have more poverty, crime and unemployment. Can you prevent people from creating their own wealth by giving them social grants while brain washing them that the white supremisists won't allow them to progress and become self sufficient. Can people be convinced to support you if you promise free stuff and will they believe you if you blame failure of delivering it on white supremisists and white monopoly capital? Can you keep blaming poverty and non delivery of promised free stuff on white supremisists and white monopoly capital infinitely? Can you silence all facts and logic with accusations of racism? Can you systematic create wars against one cultures history, statues, language and religion? If some corruption becomes exposed, can it easily be put into the shadows of a new story of a new protest or war against a piece of culture, history or racism? Can people be convinced that only white people can be racist and that black people are allowed to use derogatory language and even encourage acts of violence against them without consequences?
And so it carries on, and then we see it happening in the West.
But capitalism is a sham unless you the one sitting at the top ... events in 2008 (US 2008 mortgage bust) has shown us to be a house of cards purely based on magic pixie fairy dust.
@Deleted User There's nothing wrong with Capitalism, there's something wrong with how it's been implemented...
Can't believe there are pro commie folks, it's incredibly stupid to ignore historical failures of epic proportions, and think it will somehow work.
How ignorant people are.. Same goes for socialism
communists are a bit like flat-earthers no?
Something like that... I think flat earth borrows from commie mental gymnastics, they are like distant cousins i think.
@spursfan82 To compare communist to Flat earthers is actually an insult to flat earthers...Flat earthers for the most part have reason for their beliefs, and I don't mean the extreme "NASA is lying to us, the moon is a hologram" lot, I'm talking about the ones that believe in the ideology behind the theory, that humanity wasn't here by chance..Communist are just fucking stupid, communism has been tried and failed miserably everytime...
What I meant was that Communists are the flat earthers of political ideologies.
But I agree, I'm being harsh on flat earthers
glaucoma is not a cancer ???.
You must be thinking of glioblastoma (cancer of the brain).
NP my dude
Charges laid against EFF on two campuses – AfriForum
Natasha Venter | 28 August 2018
Organisation says party displayed posters reading 'fotsek Afrikaans' and 'down with institutional racism'
alt-right SJW rears it's ugly head at Facebook
Alt Right SJW?....What is that? That's like saying a Vegan Carnivore
quoting the new york times seems legit
Why is James Damore even demonized to this day? Right after all of that controversy, that Susan woman that runs YouTube side of Google used the exact same arguments to explain why they're aren't enough women in tech, and she got praised for it taking credit for his work. Why is he still demonized though? More double standards lol
It all reminds me of all those morality crusading anti-LGBT GOP politicians who get caught out :).
a picture is worth a thousand words... so speculation on just a few words is all this is about? lol
Economists! I'm curious. I want your opinions. Which would y'all be more in favor for..A Flat Income Tax or Income Tax capped at ??% ?
I'm not a economist so this is my opinion, I'd say in a country like ours? Income dependent tax would the prudent choice for now
Any certain percentage that you would be in favor of?
Tax is theft..
How does one have established country\government without any Tax?
Even Arnold Swarzeneger sp? believes in taxation..
@ZombieQueen Why is it always extremes??? Tax is forced, doesnt mean you cant willingly contribute, doesnt mean you cant have the free market take care of what the government can offer, and with better quality too. Tax is theft, if you dont pay for service, you dont get service... but notice it says if you dont pay, implying a choice... Tax is forced, it's not a choice lol.
Rely on willing contribution? You sure do have a lot of hope in the philanthropic proclivities of humanity. Lol
@ZombieQueen I do, mostly the free market, have a lot of faith in freedom and the free market, you will find that people see that opportunity to offer a service and I will pay for it lol
@Sheamus I mean realistically we're a lazy bunch. Why would anyone pay if they weren't obligated to?
@Cal Well way be forced to pay when you dont get the service you deserve? should you not have the freedom to pay someone willing to deliver a good service?
Okay, good point.
It's kinda like the whole NHI thing
Shit we should have seen this coming
So, would you be in favor of a complete private services over public services..like for instance personal\individual body guards\security rather than a public police force? @Sheamus
The NHI is blatantly Socialist
@ZombieQueen I dont mind government, as long as it is small and limited and providing services, but it should not have a monopoly on services, If I feel the government isnt delivering a propper service, i should have the right to withold tax and send it to someone who will...
Alright, yeah I completely understand your perspective there..I just had a cannon to be honest..
I think I red pilled myself a bit with the private security analogy and it rattled my perspective a little bit..
Why? do elaborate
Yeah I'm also kinda curious
That maybe if we weren't taxed automatically to begin with (this only applies to those of able body to work and secure an income of their own) that maybe we could afford the services that they want and need as they need them....Idk..I'm still thinking..Just.. I don't know why I've never thought of it that way before...I hope this is cohesive enough to understand.. Lol
Just..mind blown.. I feel kinda dumb right now.
lol We all woke up and grew up at some point lol, some sooner than others... There is a saying: "a fool thinks he is wise, and a wise man knows himself to be a fool." Give that some thought, it is pretty powerful when you realize how it changes your perspective. Either you are a fool pretending to be wise (every commie ever), or you are a fool that acknowledges you are a fool, and thereby learning not to be a fool and become wiser for it. It's a long journey, but it is interesting as you get to know yourself better, as opposed to being someone you are not, and forever tryign to please others.
@Darkseid so what do you think of the red pilling progress on Zombie so far? lol
Lol Thanks for that. I have genuine enjoyed that conversation though I have a lot to ponder about the subject now and have more concepts to play around with to form this perfect society in my head 😂
Trust me, don't try and look for something perfect
@ZombieQueen It's all about ideas really, and ideas need to be thought out, planned, and even tested, testing is important, but dont be obsessive about it. You know that definition of insanity? Repeating the same experiment over and over and over and over and over and over expecting a different outcome? Communism lol, it's an obsession... try other ideas, and you will find more empowering ideas that can do alot more good. it is the beauty of the free market, and freedom in general.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and all that jazz.. You're completely right though, I think it's good to debate, to entertain new ideas in ways you never really considered, and to have your own views challenged. I just find it fascinating attempting to compile ideas and policies together like puzzle pieces to find a way to create a just and decent government, it's certainly a challenging feat, but it's fun to entertain nonetheless. @Sheamus
@ZombieQueen whats you runderstanding of a government and it's role and responsibilities?
it's not a trick question, it will almost always be different for everyone really
By perfect I mean at least attempting to find a balance between having a prosperous country, economy, decent and ethical policy, etc but also having enough to support\care for the most disadvantaged. Just a bit..so they don't have mass die offs and such..the impoverished, etc. @Cal
If anything I like learning about opposite ideologies so I'm knowledgeable when I'm shitting on them
My understanding of government? Imposing Tax on the public to allocate necessary funds in sectors that need the funds the most. That's basically what I think the purpose of a government is..I guess? More specific question maybe? I don't really know how to answer that one sufficiently. Lol @Sheamus
"but also having enough to support\care for the most disadvantaged." Problem with this sentence is that you accept people being disadvantaged, and intend to keep them that way by carrying them... knowledge is something you can give away without losing it, it is the greatest wealth you could posses. But you need to put in effort to gain from it, if you going to carry someones weight, they arent going to put in any effort, therefore you allow them to be disadvantaged then, this is why we dont like welfare, it makes you lazy and dependent and once you are dependent on it, you defend it. But that said, here is another saying: "give a man some fish, and he wont go hungry for today, but teach a man to fish, and he will feed himself for a life time"
@ZombieQueen lol no there is no specific question, you have an opinion or understanding of what it is, I just want to know... How you define things will depend on how you understand these things, and therefore will influence the way you build up the idea around it.
What is one to do if no one will hire someone or is never provided a chance to improve their lives if there is no basic (temporary) provision for them to merely sustain their existence? I completely agree with that proverb to the enth degree, but there are specific circumstances. Not everyone who is on welfare abuses it, or intends to stay on it for the rest of your life..I think one of the limits I'm aware of is 5 years and if you haven't tried to improve your life by then..then they re-evaluate your case and see if you're fucked enough or not to continue being supported. Welfare, Unemployment, and Disability are all different. @Sheamus
State run programmes that teach vocational skills
Afterwards you enter the free market
@ZombieQueen Yeah we call that the exception, not the rule.. when you say "but also having enough to support\care for the most disadvantaged." you are implying the rule...
Outliers are unfortunate
government is intended to enforce rule of law... if you make the government do these things, they enforce it as the rule of law. Exceptions are what you described, shitty circumstances of which the individual is not responsible for, and can not do anything about it themselves,. Idea is to encourage them though to get out of those circumstances, with incentives and moral support as well as equipping them with the knowledge so that all they need to do is literally put in the fucking effort and they will succeed if they keep true to the knowledge they are provided with.
Hence why I brought up vocational programs. Once you've got those skills you're a marketable asset. You are an asset and you use this to your advantage in a free market
Thing about that is access to reliable transportation which many do not have. How do we remedy that? How do we get those outliers uplifted and on the road to independence and gainful employment? What sort of programs? Or do we rely solely on charity? Or? I'm asking for examples, solutions, etc for those in those circumstances. @Cal
I am off and calling it a night, cheers
My idea is that we give to the state so the state can give back to us.
I'm talking about trades. The government can set aside tax from the coffers each year to subsidize a state run trade program to teach things like, electrical work, plumbing, welding etc. The type of jobs a country like ours needs.
Public transportation does require a huge reform though. It's too bloated and unwieldy, too many spaces for money to be lost
Personal tax - no, I would be willing to pay VAT on everything at a higher rate, that way everyone pays tax, the Government can put a higher tax on luxury goods such as cars over R1m etc. It would also be easier for government to control as they only need to police the businesses.
Public transportation is 100% non existent where I live, so the people who didn't have a way to the training would be fucked anyway. Simply wouldn't be able to get there. But, I do agree that vocational training is great!! Not enough accessible training here unfortunately though, so they go under-utilized. @Cal
Sorry I was commenting on a post about 50 comments back 😂
No problem! I understood the context. I'm just eating, so I will give a better reply momentarily. ^.^
Bed time for me, enjoy your meal
Thank you! Nini sleep well.
the US was working well without personal tax before the war
it was a temporary measure which was to be removed later
so i would agree some taxation is needed, but the amount of tax and the waste in goverment is not the right mix. problem is, we cannot put the mandjie back in the cage. what's done is done
a solution would be for us to go out in the communities and be more active. less playstation and keyboard wars .... if we are closer to the politicians, then we could keep them more accountable. it is a necessary evil, but by being more pro-active we can minimise the detah spiral .... in my humble opinion
Income tax isn't the only thing that the war won. It also won the globalists the right to control the movement of people across country borders.
wtf i just noticed i know the person who wrote that article
she's a american living here
age aprox 30
Malema’s alleged encouragement of farm murders must be investigated – AfriForum
Marelie Greeff | 30 August 2018
Organisation says gang leader claimed that EFF leader said he will arrange a team and will provide everything necessary to commit crime
Yeah I've heard the recording as well.. Problem is that Malema is clearly being protected.
you can find a discussion about that article first thing on her page
in her article she says "but there’s absolutely no evidence that this crime is racially motivated"
please prove her wrong by referring to evidence here is one example https://youtu.be/JU4m8hkf-O0?t=1472 " timestamp"
also the EFF BLF have openly advocated white genocide wich is hate speach
the liberal left agenda is very clear that they try enforce a insane level of hatespeach laws because of the reasoning to stop people from being influenced negatively by it and effectively giving people hateful motivations for doing terrible things. yet when it is done by the eff it is written off that such hate speech doesnt have any effect on people to commit racially motivated crimes
if a high profile figure is advocating it to the masses that creates the evidence that people do support racially motivated hate
yes they are all cheering - a normal person should say - no I don't support racial hatred - but at the rallies everyone is dancing and cheering - they are all happy about the idea of killing white people
it is unreal to see especially for a country that went through apartheid
https://twitter.com/CleanerJoburg/status/1035095578357755904?s=19 Just when I think we've peaked..SA activates it's trap card
"Give us Jobs!!!" Burns down said workplace...Makes fucking sense..sure.
no we don't 🤔
vertel hulle sussie!
Nedbank wishes to enforce repayments of loans even if your land is expropriated without compensation!? If fundamental rights are changed then any other contract related to property is null and void! Sies Nedbank...jy is geboikot van die dag vorentoe...Staan op vir jou kliente! https://www.thesouthafrican.com/nedbank-land-expropriation-bond-payments/
No one will pay it guaranteed.
Just for the record... I think the Sunday debate was frustratingly idiotic tonight.
@ABear yes, some people didnt bother with it.... I dont know why even bother with these commies, they cant reason about anything, so no point wasting time with it
She literally knows nothing about anything.
lol communism and socialism in a nutshell
this is the type of people they look up to
and quotre even
Honestly how can someone actually support the EFF. From what I have seen and read (i'm not from SA) they seem like a political party who wants to destroy society
EFF stand for trouble only
Is she sout african born?
She got strange political views though
I feel like taking my own money, and put a PSA out in South Africa, show what Renaldo just had to put up with and say "Ladies and Gentleman, the woman you are about to see has taken a lot of drugs, this is what you will sound like on hard drugs"
"I feel like taking my own money, and put a PSA out in South Africa, show what Renaldo just had to put up with and say "Ladies and Gentleman, the woman you are about to see has taken a lot of indoctrination, this is what you will sound like on communism""
fixed it for you
Check out @za_anti’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/za_anti/status/1036543926633738242?s=09
@Darkseid Matthew 5:37
"Let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil."
Anything before the word but becomes irrelevant...In Free speech there is no but
Agreed. They had it figured out even back then lol
http://www.africanews24-7.co.za/index.php/southafricaforever/malema-flees-for-his-life-after-eff-conference-mayhem/ Man has 6% of the vote and already has dictator tendencies
Lol he isn't even keeping it secret.. Let's hope for a mutiny.
man its just one great article after another today. lol
@Sheamus His party chose someone, he said nah and chose his candidate and then told his gaurds to deal with his rebelling peasants...This some Joffrey Baratheon shit
@Darkseid can only hope he comes to an end, but then we ought to wonder if whoever replaces him will be any better or worse.
@Sheamus Shivambu already attacking Journalist, dynamic duo those two...team Rocket and Ndlozi is Meowth
Very angry man saying very angry things.
@Darkseid holy shit, he pulled up and shot into the air, i assume to put fear into those people before the thugs came out, jeezus how the fuck is this guy even relevant, i mean, i know the answer but its still hard to wrap my head around the fact that so many people follow him - i guess i hope as internet availability increases in sa, more people wake up by means of alternate news sources and social media
Julia ❤ Socialists Gather On Labor Day To Protest Concept Of Labor https://babylonbee.com/news/socialists-gather-on-labor-day-to-protest-concept-of-labor/
@Darkseid so news 24 wrote a fluff piece on the conference shooting and this guy is the victim? https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/south-africa/2018-07-19-godrich-gardee-loses-his-cool-after-seeing-red-at-eff-offices/ shit, I'm starting to understand how dire the news cycle is there
@midwest Listen Ryan. Shit's fucked, Ryan. I'm about to slop some floppies, Ryan.
Check out @za_anti’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/za_anti/status/1036724732874371072?s=09
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