which means you need to own it

and if the owners will not give it over?

besides the video is about education which is a public system whos only influince by the private sector is through influince in politics

so what does he do with the 8% that is now in 100% or near 100% control of his own influence machine? Who want to eradicate the private sector, which is by his own design. since he just got 90% of the population to check out, they don't want anything to do with anything.

2 percent are being attacked by the 8%

he is up at the top of the power pyramid, what is he now forced to do with the middle of the pyramid, which was filled with his fellow capitalist that were under his control, but since they are getting older, and get voted out by the 8% who are interested in getting his power from him to destroy him.

now the middle of the pyramid is filled with people who dislike him, and now have more direct control over at least 1 of this 2 influence tools.

education

voted out? these arnt people who are voted for, these are the people in control of who you can vote for

well more so they influince you think about voting for because they fund the optics for the people they want you to vote for with far more money than what grass roots can accomplish

really? like 6 people control all professors, all presidents of colleges, all teachers, all politicians, all people in the music industry, all people in the entertainment industry, AND they all get along?

more than 6, but money does control those people yeah

money controls the world we live in, and those with the most control over money have the most control over the world we live in

money is not real.

money controls only what you believe it controls

at the end of the day money is only a place holder for labor

something one person can give to another for the labor they have done, so they can go say "hey, i did x labor for this person, so that i can ask you to do y labor form, in exchange for something you can give to someone else for z labor"

but his theory still assumes all the people with most money all like each other.

thats a meaningless statement because weather or not money is real, if it represents something and what it represents is real and it represents a 1:1 ratio of that thing which it represents. THEN WHEN IM TALKING ABOUT MONEY im talking about that thing which it represents which is real

they cannot control your labor

you can let them use your labor

that is the only way things work

unless you are not capitalist, in which case you do not believe people control their own labor

and we are back to my previous point that they are not really capitalist, just greedy

they can control how much your labor is worth to them, and influince how much it is worth to others, to an extent that if they deem you worthless you will not be permited to coexist with society because 99% of our relationships with greater society are through money

they do not control how much your labor is worth. you control that.

nope

no one is forcing you to work for anyone

you get a job dont you? you dont MAKE a job

i don't HAVE to go to a job.

i choose to

because its easier

not because i have to

if you choose to your worth is dictated by other people

more over, i can MAKE my own job

if you believe in private property, anyone can make their own job

the only option you have if not to let your worth be decided by others and your only means of enforcing that is by not working

what is stopping me, from making my own company, and what is stopping other people from picking how much my work is worth?

nothing is stopping you from making your own company and nothing is stoping your worth to society being dictated by society

little is stoping the worth your work is valued at by society being influinced by those whove horded the most value in society

i can always reject societies offer

i can get my own water, grow and harvest my own food, build my own shelter.... until you stop believing in private property

can you own your own land?

because if i remimber correctly you still pay property tax

if you don't believe you can own your own land, then you are not capitalist, and we are back to my original point

no ones a capitalist

but yes, you can own your own land.

but you need to use force to make it yours

and only those willing to use force against you can take land from you that you occupy

ultimately, your property is what you can physically defend

well we currently live in a world where society as a concept owns all land and rents it out to everyone who has enough money and the rights to own it deemed by society

most people are renting from society

lots of people are renting from other people who are renting from society

people avoid paying taxes all the time. and generally speaking they try much harder to get the money rather than take your land. And its not that you are necessarily renting. You are asked to pay for the stuff society has agreed everyone, yourself included, are entitled to use. If you do not want to agree to that, then you can go somewhere where you are not forced to use that public property to access and live.

although you can also live off the grid. then you don't pay any taxes and for the most part people don't bother you

there arnt many places in the world where society of some kind doesent claim an ownership and expect you to endebt yourself for life in order to call it your own against others who live in that society. people do avoid paying taxes and they do try much harder to get money rather than take your land but if they have people they think will use your land better than you do who dont currently have it you will be seen as replacible

even alaska isint free

well at the end of the day its still whatever you can physically defend. You can say i owe you all the money in the world. what you gonna do if i don't pay?

with the money i make, i could probably move to Mexico and find my own piece of land i could physically defend with a little money and some agreements with local cartels

if you find a country that claims land that you can defend yourself from if you choose to live there and not pay taxes then enjoy

understanding they will eventually go to war with you

apparently we are all at war with everyone else anyway, so what else is new?

and ofcourse the point to living is to have children, so hopefuly your plan lasts all generations

but lets get back to just one of the several problems, since apparently no one is a capitalist, which proves my point that calling these big evil faceless people capitalist is false. its easy just to call them greedy and controlling, like a bad girlfriend.

by your deffition no one is a capitalist

well by your definition private property is not a thing that can happen.

which means governments really are pointless, as that is there only use

so lets get some more funding to that 8% shall me?

its not my defition

its an observation we both agree on that what private property within a society means is that society gives you the right to prevent people in that society from taking stuff defined as your private property as long as you give labor to the society till the day you die or so long as society can collect for everything defined as private property

i simplfy that as rent

you can call it private property still if you want to though

private property only exists because of governments by the way

governments where formed to protect private property.

because people got tied of always building walls, and needing standing armies

so they said "hey, lets just follow these rules so we can both benefit, rather than point sharp sticks at eachother all day"

they also define private property as well

yes, its all very circular because it was made by humans, for humans, and is kept running with the help of humans

and humans are the source of all our problems

and 99% of the time the source of our solutions

no, 100% of the time the source of our solutions

because we made the problem

sometimes we come up with our own solutions

sometimes wildlife becomes a problem for us

mold sucks

were being pedantic and austistic though now off topic

mold only causes a problem if you decide to remain where mold is

naw, its not austistic to lay out the reasoning for killing all humans

it will solve all humanities problems

its the perfect plan

Thanos didn't go far enough

but back on topic. we have a group of people, all of who apparently don't want to take power from each-other, according to the video we were talking about.

because the easiest way, in his example, to undermined the power of anyone else in the "evil capitalist" group, would be to put funding into growing the 8% so they feel like you are on their side and not part of the rest of the evil capitalist.

one group doesent care (which i think is actually to big)

this in turn, would give reason for the other evil capitalists to stop funding the 8% and instead put funding into an opposition to their group.

which would split the 8% into at least 2 factions

(hey, and now we have republicans and democrats)

the problem with the 8% is that its so indocternated in what the evil capitalist thinks it doesent actually know what its fighting against anymore, it doesent even really know what it stands for, it changes its own ideology and is fractionalized into so many different ideologys that have something in common but rarely actually focus on that and aim outword that it doesent know how to think for itself

thats even worse for the capitalists. because its a weapon any other capitalist can use against them