Message from @Grenade123

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2018-06-02 00:32:02 UTC  

people avoid paying taxes all the time. and generally speaking they try much harder to get the money rather than take your land. And its not that you are necessarily renting. You are asked to pay for the stuff society has agreed everyone, yourself included, are entitled to use. If you do not want to agree to that, then you can go somewhere where you are not forced to use that public property to access and live.

2018-06-02 00:32:30 UTC  

although you can also live off the grid. then you don't pay any taxes and for the most part people don't bother you

2018-06-02 00:35:12 UTC  

there arnt many places in the world where society of some kind doesent claim an ownership and expect you to endebt yourself for life in order to call it your own against others who live in that society. people do avoid paying taxes and they do try much harder to get money rather than take your land but if they have people they think will use your land better than you do who dont currently have it you will be seen as replacible

2018-06-02 00:35:34 UTC  

even alaska isint free

2018-06-02 00:38:11 UTC  

well at the end of the day its still whatever you can physically defend. You can say i owe you all the money in the world. what you gonna do if i don't pay?

2018-06-02 00:39:05 UTC  

with the money i make, i could probably move to Mexico and find my own piece of land i could physically defend with a little money and some agreements with local cartels

2018-06-02 00:39:07 UTC  

if you find a country that claims land that you can defend yourself from if you choose to live there and not pay taxes then enjoy

2018-06-02 00:39:30 UTC  

understanding they will eventually go to war with you

2018-06-02 00:40:22 UTC  

apparently we are all at war with everyone else anyway, so what else is new?

2018-06-02 00:41:03 UTC  

and ofcourse the point to living is to have children, so hopefuly your plan lasts all generations

2018-06-02 00:41:41 UTC  

but lets get back to just one of the several problems, since apparently no one is a capitalist, which proves my point that calling these big evil faceless people capitalist is false. its easy just to call them greedy and controlling, like a bad girlfriend.

2018-06-02 00:42:03 UTC  

by your deffition no one is a capitalist

2018-06-02 00:42:46 UTC  

well by your definition private property is not a thing that can happen.

2018-06-02 00:42:57 UTC  

which means governments really are pointless, as that is there only use

2018-06-02 00:43:16 UTC  

so lets get some more funding to that 8% shall me?

2018-06-02 00:43:32 UTC  

its not my defition

2018-06-02 00:45:29 UTC  

its an observation we both agree on that what private property within a society means is that society gives you the right to prevent people in that society from taking stuff defined as your private property as long as you give labor to the society till the day you die or so long as society can collect for everything defined as private property

2018-06-02 00:46:09 UTC  

i simplfy that as rent

2018-06-02 00:46:26 UTC  

you can call it private property still if you want to though

2018-06-02 00:46:58 UTC  

private property only exists because of governments by the way

2018-06-02 00:47:23 UTC  

governments where formed to protect private property.

2018-06-02 00:47:34 UTC  

because people got tied of always building walls, and needing standing armies

2018-06-02 00:48:14 UTC  

so they said "hey, lets just follow these rules so we can both benefit, rather than point sharp sticks at eachother all day"

2018-06-02 00:48:30 UTC  

they also define private property as well

2018-06-02 00:49:03 UTC  

yes, its all very circular because it was made by humans, for humans, and is kept running with the help of humans

2018-06-02 00:49:23 UTC  

and humans are the source of all our problems

2018-06-02 00:49:49 UTC  

and 99% of the time the source of our solutions

2018-06-02 00:50:12 UTC  

no, 100% of the time the source of our solutions

2018-06-02 00:50:22 UTC  

because we made the problem

2018-06-02 00:50:30 UTC  

sometimes we come up with our own solutions

2018-06-02 00:50:39 UTC  

sometimes wildlife becomes a problem for us

2018-06-02 00:50:44 UTC  

mold sucks

2018-06-02 00:51:11 UTC  

were being pedantic and austistic though now off topic

2018-06-02 00:51:11 UTC  

mold only causes a problem if you decide to remain where mold is

2018-06-02 00:51:53 UTC  

naw, its not austistic to lay out the reasoning for killing all humans

2018-06-02 00:51:59 UTC  

it will solve all humanities problems

2018-06-02 00:52:05 UTC  

its the perfect plan

2018-06-02 00:52:11 UTC  

Thanos didn't go far enough

2018-06-02 00:52:47 UTC  

but back on topic. we have a group of people, all of who apparently don't want to take power from each-other, according to the video we were talking about.

2018-06-02 00:54:08 UTC  

because the easiest way, in his example, to undermined the power of anyone else in the "evil capitalist" group, would be to put funding into growing the 8% so they feel like you are on their side and not part of the rest of the evil capitalist.

2018-06-02 00:54:24 UTC  

one group doesent care (which i think is actually to big)