Message from @Grenade123

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2018-06-02 00:17:56 UTC  

money controls only what you believe it controls

2018-06-02 00:18:12 UTC  

at the end of the day money is only a place holder for labor

2018-06-02 00:19:01 UTC  

something one person can give to another for the labor they have done, so they can go say "hey, i did x labor for this person, so that i can ask you to do y labor form, in exchange for something you can give to someone else for z labor"

2018-06-02 00:20:02 UTC  

but his theory still assumes all the people with most money all like each other.

2018-06-02 00:20:04 UTC  

thats a meaningless statement because weather or not money is real, if it represents something and what it represents is real and it represents a 1:1 ratio of that thing which it represents. THEN WHEN IM TALKING ABOUT MONEY im talking about that thing which it represents which is real

2018-06-02 00:20:24 UTC  

they cannot control your labor

2018-06-02 00:20:39 UTC  

you can let them use your labor

2018-06-02 00:20:55 UTC  

that is the only way things work

2018-06-02 00:21:14 UTC  

unless you are not capitalist, in which case you do not believe people control their own labor

2018-06-02 00:21:32 UTC  

and we are back to my previous point that they are not really capitalist, just greedy

2018-06-02 00:21:44 UTC  

they can control how much your labor is worth to them, and influince how much it is worth to others, to an extent that if they deem you worthless you will not be permited to coexist with society because 99% of our relationships with greater society are through money

2018-06-02 00:22:09 UTC  

they do not control how much your labor is worth. you control that.

2018-06-02 00:22:14 UTC  

nope

2018-06-02 00:22:25 UTC  

no one is forcing you to work for anyone

2018-06-02 00:22:30 UTC  

you get a job dont you? you dont MAKE a job

2018-06-02 00:22:41 UTC  

i don't HAVE to go to a job.

2018-06-02 00:22:44 UTC  

i choose to

2018-06-02 00:22:50 UTC  

because its easier

2018-06-02 00:22:54 UTC  

not because i have to

2018-06-02 00:23:01 UTC  

if you choose to your worth is dictated by other people

2018-06-02 00:23:04 UTC  

more over, i can MAKE my own job

2018-06-02 00:23:17 UTC  

if you believe in private property, anyone can make their own job

2018-06-02 00:23:30 UTC  

the only option you have if not to let your worth be decided by others and your only means of enforcing that is by not working

2018-06-02 00:24:15 UTC  

what is stopping me, from making my own company, and what is stopping other people from picking how much my work is worth?

2018-06-02 00:24:54 UTC  

nothing is stopping you from making your own company and nothing is stoping your worth to society being dictated by society

2018-06-02 00:25:28 UTC  

little is stoping the worth your work is valued at by society being influinced by those whove horded the most value in society

2018-06-02 00:26:40 UTC  

i can always reject societies offer

2018-06-02 00:27:13 UTC  

i can get my own water, grow and harvest my own food, build my own shelter.... until you stop believing in private property

2018-06-02 00:27:23 UTC  

can you own your own land?

2018-06-02 00:27:41 UTC  

because if i remimber correctly you still pay property tax

2018-06-02 00:27:51 UTC  

if you don't believe you can own your own land, then you are not capitalist, and we are back to my original point

2018-06-02 00:28:03 UTC  

no ones a capitalist

2018-06-02 00:28:11 UTC  

but yes, you can own your own land.

2018-06-02 00:28:23 UTC  

but you need to use force to make it yours

2018-06-02 00:28:42 UTC  

and only those willing to use force against you can take land from you that you occupy

2018-06-02 00:29:04 UTC  

ultimately, your property is what you can physically defend

2018-06-02 00:29:10 UTC  

well we currently live in a world where society as a concept owns all land and rents it out to everyone who has enough money and the rights to own it deemed by society

2018-06-02 00:29:45 UTC  

most people are renting from society

2018-06-02 00:29:59 UTC  

lots of people are renting from other people who are renting from society

2018-06-02 00:32:02 UTC  

people avoid paying taxes all the time. and generally speaking they try much harder to get the money rather than take your land. And its not that you are necessarily renting. You are asked to pay for the stuff society has agreed everyone, yourself included, are entitled to use. If you do not want to agree to that, then you can go somewhere where you are not forced to use that public property to access and live.

2018-06-02 00:32:30 UTC  

although you can also live off the grid. then you don't pay any taxes and for the most part people don't bother you