Message from @Grenade123
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money controls only what you believe it controls
at the end of the day money is only a place holder for labor
something one person can give to another for the labor they have done, so they can go say "hey, i did x labor for this person, so that i can ask you to do y labor form, in exchange for something you can give to someone else for z labor"
but his theory still assumes all the people with most money all like each other.
thats a meaningless statement because weather or not money is real, if it represents something and what it represents is real and it represents a 1:1 ratio of that thing which it represents. THEN WHEN IM TALKING ABOUT MONEY im talking about that thing which it represents which is real
they cannot control your labor
you can let them use your labor
that is the only way things work
unless you are not capitalist, in which case you do not believe people control their own labor
and we are back to my previous point that they are not really capitalist, just greedy
they can control how much your labor is worth to them, and influince how much it is worth to others, to an extent that if they deem you worthless you will not be permited to coexist with society because 99% of our relationships with greater society are through money
they do not control how much your labor is worth. you control that.
nope
no one is forcing you to work for anyone
you get a job dont you? you dont MAKE a job
i don't HAVE to go to a job.
i choose to
because its easier
not because i have to
if you choose to your worth is dictated by other people
if you believe in private property, anyone can make their own job
the only option you have if not to let your worth be decided by others and your only means of enforcing that is by not working
what is stopping me, from making my own company, and what is stopping other people from picking how much my work is worth?
nothing is stopping you from making your own company and nothing is stoping your worth to society being dictated by society
little is stoping the worth your work is valued at by society being influinced by those whove horded the most value in society
i can always reject societies offer
i can get my own water, grow and harvest my own food, build my own shelter.... until you stop believing in private property
can you own your own land?
because if i remimber correctly you still pay property tax
if you don't believe you can own your own land, then you are not capitalist, and we are back to my original point
no ones a capitalist
but yes, you can own your own land.
but you need to use force to make it yours
and only those willing to use force against you can take land from you that you occupy
ultimately, your property is what you can physically defend
well we currently live in a world where society as a concept owns all land and rents it out to everyone who has enough money and the rights to own it deemed by society
most people are renting from society
lots of people are renting from other people who are renting from society
people avoid paying taxes all the time. and generally speaking they try much harder to get the money rather than take your land. And its not that you are necessarily renting. You are asked to pay for the stuff society has agreed everyone, yourself included, are entitled to use. If you do not want to agree to that, then you can go somewhere where you are not forced to use that public property to access and live.
although you can also live off the grid. then you don't pay any taxes and for the most part people don't bother you