unless you are not capitalist, in which case you do not believe people control their own labor

and we are back to my previous point that they are not really capitalist, just greedy

they can control how much your labor is worth to them, and influince how much it is worth to others, to an extent that if they deem you worthless you will not be permited to coexist with society because 99% of our relationships with greater society are through money

they do not control how much your labor is worth. you control that.

nope

no one is forcing you to work for anyone

you get a job dont you? you dont MAKE a job

i don't HAVE to go to a job.

i choose to

because its easier

not because i have to

if you choose to your worth is dictated by other people

more over, i can MAKE my own job

if you believe in private property, anyone can make their own job

the only option you have if not to let your worth be decided by others and your only means of enforcing that is by not working

what is stopping me, from making my own company, and what is stopping other people from picking how much my work is worth?

nothing is stopping you from making your own company and nothing is stoping your worth to society being dictated by society

little is stoping the worth your work is valued at by society being influinced by those whove horded the most value in society

i can always reject societies offer

i can get my own water, grow and harvest my own food, build my own shelter.... until you stop believing in private property

can you own your own land?

because if i remimber correctly you still pay property tax

if you don't believe you can own your own land, then you are not capitalist, and we are back to my original point

no ones a capitalist

but yes, you can own your own land.

but you need to use force to make it yours

and only those willing to use force against you can take land from you that you occupy

ultimately, your property is what you can physically defend

well we currently live in a world where society as a concept owns all land and rents it out to everyone who has enough money and the rights to own it deemed by society

most people are renting from society

lots of people are renting from other people who are renting from society

people avoid paying taxes all the time. and generally speaking they try much harder to get the money rather than take your land. And its not that you are necessarily renting. You are asked to pay for the stuff society has agreed everyone, yourself included, are entitled to use. If you do not want to agree to that, then you can go somewhere where you are not forced to use that public property to access and live.

although you can also live off the grid. then you don't pay any taxes and for the most part people don't bother you

there arnt many places in the world where society of some kind doesent claim an ownership and expect you to endebt yourself for life in order to call it your own against others who live in that society. people do avoid paying taxes and they do try much harder to get money rather than take your land but if they have people they think will use your land better than you do who dont currently have it you will be seen as replacible

even alaska isint free

well at the end of the day its still whatever you can physically defend. You can say i owe you all the money in the world. what you gonna do if i don't pay?

with the money i make, i could probably move to Mexico and find my own piece of land i could physically defend with a little money and some agreements with local cartels

if you find a country that claims land that you can defend yourself from if you choose to live there and not pay taxes then enjoy

understanding they will eventually go to war with you

apparently we are all at war with everyone else anyway, so what else is new?

and ofcourse the point to living is to have children, so hopefuly your plan lasts all generations