Message from @Grenade123

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2018-06-02 00:48:30 UTC  

they also define private property as well

2018-06-02 00:49:03 UTC  

yes, its all very circular because it was made by humans, for humans, and is kept running with the help of humans

2018-06-02 00:49:23 UTC  

and humans are the source of all our problems

2018-06-02 00:49:49 UTC  

and 99% of the time the source of our solutions

2018-06-02 00:50:12 UTC  

no, 100% of the time the source of our solutions

2018-06-02 00:50:22 UTC  

because we made the problem

2018-06-02 00:50:30 UTC  

sometimes we come up with our own solutions

2018-06-02 00:50:39 UTC  

sometimes wildlife becomes a problem for us

2018-06-02 00:50:44 UTC  

mold sucks

2018-06-02 00:51:11 UTC  

were being pedantic and austistic though now off topic

2018-06-02 00:51:11 UTC  

mold only causes a problem if you decide to remain where mold is

2018-06-02 00:51:53 UTC  

naw, its not austistic to lay out the reasoning for killing all humans

2018-06-02 00:51:59 UTC  

it will solve all humanities problems

2018-06-02 00:52:05 UTC  

its the perfect plan

2018-06-02 00:52:11 UTC  

Thanos didn't go far enough

2018-06-02 00:52:47 UTC  

but back on topic. we have a group of people, all of who apparently don't want to take power from each-other, according to the video we were talking about.

2018-06-02 00:54:08 UTC  

because the easiest way, in his example, to undermined the power of anyone else in the "evil capitalist" group, would be to put funding into growing the 8% so they feel like you are on their side and not part of the rest of the evil capitalist.

2018-06-02 00:54:24 UTC  

one group doesent care (which i think is actually to big)

2018-06-02 00:54:59 UTC  

this in turn, would give reason for the other evil capitalists to stop funding the 8% and instead put funding into an opposition to their group.

2018-06-02 00:55:15 UTC  

which would split the 8% into at least 2 factions

2018-06-02 00:55:25 UTC  

(hey, and now we have republicans and democrats)

2018-06-02 00:56:42 UTC  

the problem with the 8% is that its so indocternated in what the evil capitalist thinks it doesent actually know what its fighting against anymore, it doesent even really know what it stands for, it changes its own ideology and is fractionalized into so many different ideologys that have something in common but rarely actually focus on that and aim outword that it doesent know how to think for itself

2018-06-02 00:57:15 UTC  

thats even worse for the capitalists. because its a weapon any other capitalist can use against them

2018-06-02 00:58:09 UTC  

its being used against other capitalists, but its also very stupid and easly distracted and again capitalists know a more dangerous enemy than eachother

2018-06-02 00:58:35 UTC  

at different times different capitalists have control over the 8%

2018-06-02 00:58:45 UTC  

you see that in what they use to stand against

2018-06-02 00:58:52 UTC  

and how it keeps changing over time

2018-06-02 00:59:27 UTC  

i dont actually believe in a top of the pyramid

2018-06-02 00:59:50 UTC  

i beleive its narrower up there but i think its not lonely

2018-06-02 01:00:06 UTC  

i don't even thing the top is that stagnant

2018-06-02 01:00:32 UTC  

i think its a violate thing that has people leaving and joining all the time, because this is just how humans work.

2018-06-02 01:03:07 UTC  

i also dont think its defined souly with money but money is a strong factor

2018-06-02 01:03:13 UTC  

influince is another

2018-06-02 01:03:28 UTC  

and its not a bad thing. the people in the top are kept in check by their peers. because think about the people who are at the top. they are people who want to get all the power and keep it. which puts them at odds with each-other. And in the collateral of that fighting power is split up, and new people seize that power to climb up to the top

2018-06-02 01:04:23 UTC  

money isint the only influince but its the strongest right now. but trust is another which is why some very rich people arnt trusted and some are and some arnt for good reasons because of who else does trust them

2018-06-02 01:05:43 UTC  

so long as resources are finite, the top will always exist. money really means nothing. its resources and the ability to control those resources that get you to the top. doesn't matter how you do it.

2018-06-02 01:06:23 UTC  

so its pointless trying to get rid of the top. and anyone who wants to get rid of it, is not actually trying to get rid of it. they are just looking for some way to join it.

2018-06-02 01:06:31 UTC  

because you can't get rid of it

2018-06-02 01:06:38 UTC  

not while resources are finite

2018-06-02 01:07:00 UTC  

not while that 90% can't ignore the rest of humanity and still get what they want.

2018-06-02 01:08:02 UTC  

and so long as the top is not static, which so long as there are people it won't be, then society is not under the control of any one group really. society is under the control of society.