little is stoping the worth your work is valued at by society being influinced by those whove horded the most value in society

i can always reject societies offer

i can get my own water, grow and harvest my own food, build my own shelter.... until you stop believing in private property

can you own your own land?

because if i remimber correctly you still pay property tax

if you don't believe you can own your own land, then you are not capitalist, and we are back to my original point

no ones a capitalist

but yes, you can own your own land.

but you need to use force to make it yours

and only those willing to use force against you can take land from you that you occupy

ultimately, your property is what you can physically defend

well we currently live in a world where society as a concept owns all land and rents it out to everyone who has enough money and the rights to own it deemed by society

most people are renting from society

lots of people are renting from other people who are renting from society

people avoid paying taxes all the time. and generally speaking they try much harder to get the money rather than take your land. And its not that you are necessarily renting. You are asked to pay for the stuff society has agreed everyone, yourself included, are entitled to use. If you do not want to agree to that, then you can go somewhere where you are not forced to use that public property to access and live.

although you can also live off the grid. then you don't pay any taxes and for the most part people don't bother you

there arnt many places in the world where society of some kind doesent claim an ownership and expect you to endebt yourself for life in order to call it your own against others who live in that society. people do avoid paying taxes and they do try much harder to get money rather than take your land but if they have people they think will use your land better than you do who dont currently have it you will be seen as replacible

even alaska isint free

well at the end of the day its still whatever you can physically defend. You can say i owe you all the money in the world. what you gonna do if i don't pay?

with the money i make, i could probably move to Mexico and find my own piece of land i could physically defend with a little money and some agreements with local cartels

if you find a country that claims land that you can defend yourself from if you choose to live there and not pay taxes then enjoy

understanding they will eventually go to war with you

apparently we are all at war with everyone else anyway, so what else is new?

and ofcourse the point to living is to have children, so hopefuly your plan lasts all generations

but lets get back to just one of the several problems, since apparently no one is a capitalist, which proves my point that calling these big evil faceless people capitalist is false. its easy just to call them greedy and controlling, like a bad girlfriend.

by your deffition no one is a capitalist

well by your definition private property is not a thing that can happen.

which means governments really are pointless, as that is there only use

so lets get some more funding to that 8% shall me?

its not my defition

its an observation we both agree on that what private property within a society means is that society gives you the right to prevent people in that society from taking stuff defined as your private property as long as you give labor to the society till the day you die or so long as society can collect for everything defined as private property

i simplfy that as rent

you can call it private property still if you want to though

private property only exists because of governments by the way

governments where formed to protect private property.

because people got tied of always building walls, and needing standing armies

so they said "hey, lets just follow these rules so we can both benefit, rather than point sharp sticks at eachother all day"

they also define private property as well

yes, its all very circular because it was made by humans, for humans, and is kept running with the help of humans

and humans are the source of all our problems

and 99% of the time the source of our solutions