This may be contraversial on this Discord but I'd have Trump as our PM in a heartbeat

Terresa May is pretty bad. She endorsed land compensation in south africa, seems unable to get along with trump, seems generally bad on free speech, and seems incompetant on brexit

He told our PM how to Brexit and she ignored him. now Brexit is a shambles and she told the press Trumps plan and it was a damn good one

dont

I was embarresed when she did that

my best mate married a south African. her family has all fed the country now

fled

Kulaks 2.0

Yeah, I tell people who don't want to believe the racial stuff that their also trying to do communism sometimes that works in showing that there are really problems in the Rainbow nation.

Of the people who could realistically be PM in the UK who would you choose?

Jacob Reese Mogg

or me

😛

What's the deal with Boris Johnson? A lot of people here thought he was going to be PM after Brexit. As I understand it someone in the Tory party stabbed him in the back or something.

is there any good arguments for immigration and diversity🤔

basically the Conservative party is mostly centre left now

Only UKIP has free speach in its manefesto

the Tories dont care about it

the left put hate speach on the books thinking they'd be in power forever and the tories embraced it

left are just usefull idiots.
pushing for litteral communism

@Jasse diversity of thought yes. skilled, controlled immigration yes. the rest? not that I've heard

oh the leader of the Labour party is literally a Commie

the british communist party advised its members to vote for him instead of them at the last election

Yeah I heard him call in and congratulate Maduro.

Corbyn has not met a terrorist he hasnt become friends with

He still touts Venesuela as a sucess

Still! That's delusional at this point.

So the Tories put 2 women up and a bloke when Cameron resigned and May won. basically she is our Hilary

he still thinks the IRA were just.

even though they blew up malls full of families

rather than military targets

he;s a massive antisemite too

you know the L'oreal trans model that got fired for anti white tweets? he hired her as the Labour parties diversity advisor

I do remember seeing that.

oh and like George Orwell said: socialists dont want to help the poor, they just hate the rich

Corbyn grew up in a 9 bedroom house

but that doesnt make him rich aparently

Champaign socialist, huh.

they all are

here at least

or they are so deep in welfare they dont see work as an alternative so he gets thosee votes

a bit like Black voters and the Democrats in America

not actualkly helping but percieved as the ones that care

I find it funny that the "refugees" have been very hostile to Jewish people and its been making the left anti-semetic. so much so that Jewish people are turning to the right in Europe. https://www.dw.com/en/afds-jews-say-german-far-right-party-isnt-anti-semitic/a-45635589

well thats mostly because the Left has a huge history in Europe of antisematism

and they have finally pissed the non religious Jews off enough to switch their vote

Religious Jews tend to vote right already

That and now Jews are openly attacked by Muslims in london

and the mayor isnt doing anything about it

he just screams islamaphobi

Oh the Gay Muzzie

islamaphobia*

he isnt gay

thts haram

this is our most left leaning paper:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

However, when asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.

Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain, and 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”, compared with 5% of the country as a whole. Two-thirds (66%) said they completely condemned people who took part in stoning adulterers, and a further 13% condemned them to some extent. Nearly a third (31%) thought it was acceptable for a British Muslim man to have more than one wife, compared with 8% of the wider population.

so 1/3 think stoning a woman for adultery is either fully okay or okay in some circumstanses

No, I am referring to him reading mean tweets. For some reason the one that stuck with me was him reading out "Sadiq Kahn is a Gay Muzzie Terrorist".

ahh that was someone being mean to him

Kahn had them all arrested

Geif 1st amendment

Yeah, The Muslims you guys have in Europe are way worse than any we have. Our worst one is like Linda Sasour, whos kind of just become a clown at this point. I suppose Louis Farrakhan is still around, but that kind of different.

Sarsour is cancer

I think after Jake Tapper called her out, the MSM stopped taking her seriously.

she is practcing Taqiya very effectivly

or was at least

I got to go run some errands. It was nice talking to you Jes.

you too mate

```This may be contraversial on this Discord but I'd have Trump as our PM in a heartbeat```
You'd take a tree or Trumps Pants as PM any day....

I mean, you can't deny the enthusiasm Trump feels for the people he reps. I imagine if I was in a monolithic beuracracy like the EU that doesn't really seem to respond to the will of the people, I'd like him too.

Unless your in a nation where you have a pm and isn't part of the EU, in which case just the amount of money he'd bring into the nation would seem like a god send.

@Jes the Labour Party equalities minister whom Corbs appointed

Damn can’t send pictures

@Scribblehatch Move it here, I guess, since complaining is being done in General.

No.

Yes

@Farmersbrew Naz Shah?

@Stefan Payne a Tree would have more personality than our PM

With so many people here isn't this a Mass debate?

Yep

“Girls need to keep their mouths shut for the sake of diversity”

She's the one that said "move Isreal to the USA"

BALLS

Oh if it's about the EU I'm out. Good luck to you folks but that isn't my concern

its a UK politicain we're talking about 😃

Yeah. Then don't care. Appreciate the clarification

I just watched the Official Trump @war: Full Movie. Did anyone else notice Steve Bannon is the first name that comes up in the credits. I thought we were supposed to think he and Trump weren't friends anymore. <:TimThink:482277772497125378>

It's almost like the media lies or something.

U know something I realised. A lot of legal immigrants are worse than illegal ones. Becuz many legal ones just drain welfare.

Which is rather ironic

are you making a statement of fact? because I'd like to see some evidence for that claim

to me it seems like lots of immigrants do quite well for themselves, particularly asians.

I mean as someone who knows many immigrants

In Ireland

not just asians, but I've seen a lot of legal africans (usually central) also become hard workers and do well (at least here in canada)

The housing crisis is caused by legal immigrants and others exploiting the welfare system

Illegals just give cheap services and are underpaid

Obviously most legal immigrants here don’t do it

I just mean a lot do

its kind of odd how people see that immigration causes housing chrisis and price of real estate to rise.
and banks value is directly tied to real estate value:

but for some reason people dont seem to be abel connect those two.
but why🤔

_insert libertarian view_ If people started moving to affordable places that still accept their skill set, the real estate values would also normalize

In Ireland I’d estimate only about 3/8 of the exploiters of the housing crisis is immigrants but the rest aren’t. I know someone who’s a bloody pimp who somehow has council housing

And another person who faked being unable to take care of themselves and living in a council house and daughter’s house

like look what happend in 2007 when housing prices started to level out.
because population boom ended

Milton Friedman actually advocated for unrestricted illegal immigration--under the requirement that there is no welfare system--precisely because they would feed labor into the system and not take anything out.

It's obviously impractical and not very humane. And it would still depress wages.

Usually, (legal) immigration is a positive. It's like having a positive birth rate of *only* people who are wealthy or motivated enough to move.

The housing price rise is due to demand.

The real challenge is figuring out how to defeat the tendency of industry to cluster in excess.

Usually

The internet was supposed to be the lifeline to the rural communities due to telecommuting, but instead it seems to accelerated population concentration.

In Ireland’s case it is. But the bloody government is allowing some of them to exploit welfare

And others who are natives

>europe

white people dont want to live around immigrants so they move to richer neighborhoods, and push real estate prices even higher.
and thus pushing value of banks higher.

In Ireland there is good diversity

Immigrants are heavily integrated

Except for some Muslims

they are horrible at being integrated

The Asians and Africans and Eastern Europeans become 90% Irish within just 1 generation

No joke

But the Roma just kinda beg on the streets

Is Roma a derogatory term?

mouse born in aquarium doesnt just become fish.

bad analogy

U wouldn’t get it unless you lived in Ireland

humans are the same species

It’s the last bastion of good immigration

In Western Europe

different races.
race doesnt change based on where you born

A lot of the immigrants adopt western values in short periods and inter marry

In Ireland

do you believe culture is downstream from race?

just clarifying

been through this before, better to not beat around the bush

Downstream?

I have never heard that phrase

it's a way of saying one thing will lead to another

in this context, I'm asking if he believes people of a certain race will always gravitate towards a certain culture, regardless of external factors

That’s not really true imo. That only happens if they aren’t allowed to be assimilated (Like in a lot of Europe)

you can teach monkey to act like human. but that isint natural for monkey and it would never develop to act like that.
and you cant deny where that way of behiving originated from.

I wouldn’t compare immigrants to monkeys

again, a bad analogy. you're taking two different animals are using them as an example for a single species

They are a by product of historical mishaps

literally apples to oranges

Before many things occurred their lands were once the pinnacle of human thought

ofc that was exaggeration of what i mean. but you get the point?

What about second generation immigrants?

I think it's hyperbolic

Do u think they still fall under that?

there are certainly differences between races, but not to the degree you can say for certain that some things will always happen with certain races. Human variability is too great.

It's much more sound to explain the differences between culture by tying it to the environment in which it was created.
However, groups of people bring their culture with them, so if you bring a bunch of Muslim theocrats from the third world and all have them live together in a new society they will maintain that.

^

Yes

If they are assimilated and live with natives they can change heavily and breed together

why do you think different race with over one standard deviation lower IQ will ever perform in same level as native populaion?

let alone good reason to bring them in in first place.

I never claimed to believe that.

Nor do I believe "bringing people over" is a thing that should be done.

>IQ
Wanna explain the Flynn effect?

what about flynn effect?

taking it into account, Americans of yesteryear were over one standard deviation lower than Americans today, depending on the point in time you want to focus on

But I assume you wouldn't compare Americans in 1918 to other species

'member IQ normalisation over time

we are all the same species 😃

well, except the commies 😛

there were comparisons made between different races and mice vs fish lol

not even aussie had the autism to do that

at most he compared different breeds of dogs

which admittedly would be a far better analogy for a race realist to use

But normalization doesn't explain the Flynn effect, which now appears to be reversing

And was prev. a steady ~3 points per decade iirc

>now appars to be reversing
yeah i wonder if bringing 60IQ africans have something to do with nations average IQ.🤔

Again, if we're accepting the Flynn effect we accept the whole thing, do we not? Consistency please

If your assertion is that immigration is driving down the mean IQ and that the findings are correct for actual IQ test results then we also accept that 1918 America was full of smooth brains

I would reject both, personally

yeah you are rejecting everything that is contradicting with your view.

No, I'm holding a consistent position

Do you think Americans in previous generations were less intelligent?

few points.
but ways to measure IQ have also developed.

so does IQ _not_ change over time?

over generations I mean

The trend has held even after the type of testing modernized

It's only more recently that we've seen the reversal

Who cares?

so you think africans with 60IQ which is by the definition mild mental retardation level of IQ. will some how catch up with europeans IQ?🤔

over time, yes

Well that depends on circumstances doesn't it

^

Some of the lower scoring countries have shit education systems, or no formal education whatsoever, and yet are within striking range of some European nations for IQ

Environmental factors aren't a majority cause, but theyre not negligible

What will you do in your life which has anything to do with what you figure out during this conversation?

will you treat people as anything other than individuals?

ofc i have prejudices. everyone has.

@xorgy try to explain how third world immiration to europe is alway net negative and will detroy europe.

Make the babies and build a fence.

or convince them to stay where they're at.

instead of waaah waaaaah waaaaaaaah

https://giphy.com/gifs/1BXa2alBjrCXC

not a refutation of anything

(trigger warning: this GIF is not an argument)

if you don't want a proper debate then don't

What are you even debating though?

Build the babies, have more fences

race realism

like the good ol' days

I have to say though, building babies is good idea

create superhumans, ethics be damned

yeah. appareltly IQ can rise to level of europeans. but otherwise they will stay at the same.
because IQ is apparenly all about environment.

I just took issue with muh IQ meme. Selective usage of data is almost as bad as no data at all.

Try not strawmanning

Let he who is of superiour IQ cast the first stone.

_hands the stone to the jews and the east asians_

>Environment is a significant factor even if it isn't the biggest factor
>OMG I guess environment is everything

lel jew IQ meme.
israel IQ is 95😉

ashkenaz, if I am left to be more specific

@Beemann
Nearly every reliably measured psychological trait, especially IQ, is significantly influenced by genetic factors.
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.0963-7214.2004.00295.x
https://archive.fo/L6kaY

Okay, that doesn't contradict what I said

Come back when you bolster your reading comprehension

@Beemann Genes for large brains, linked to high IQ, are common everywhere except Africa.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB115040765329081636
https://archive.fo/S2Wiw
africans will never be as smart.

>less common
>entire group is fucked now lol
Someone missed the gene in their pool

@Beemann so how much affect environment has to IQ?

Depends on who you ask

Debated range is like 14-49%, shit's ridiculous

Nature vs Nurture is a fucking mess always

humans are just too damn complex

there's so much that goes into making a person who/what they are, and we barely understand the components, let alone how they all fit together.

all we can do is guess or look at broad statistics

We have models that are decently predictive, but it's not locked down

And then the question is whether we have the factors in, in the correct direction

Like is IQ a measure of success on its own, or because it's an indicator of other factors, or the result of them

`Like is IQ a measure of success on its own, or because it's an indicator of other factors, or the result of them`
can you elborate little

how it could be other way around?

Environmental factors

Like you can get a pretty hefty difference between the shittiest of shit environments and the closest to best we have

but even in america black IQ is one standard of deviatoin lower?

and its demosntably false to claim it because of bad school.

>America doesn't have bad schools
Cmon now

There's also cultural and legal aspects that will most certainly lead to worse outcomes

cant poist picture here but look shitposting

Fancy shit != better education

The US is struggling with education in general now too, what with Common Core being a shitshow

I would actually not be surprised if negative Flynn was partly a result of schools going to shit in the west. "We" are doing a shit job

Poverty and fatherlessness are also huge proven hindrances to success, so demos that disproportionately suffer from these factors will also take a hit

Black children raised in White households have similar IQ scores to Black children in Black households.
https://archive.fo/oNKYp

what you think about this one

Um "The socially classified Black adoptees, whose natural parents were educationally average, scored above the IQ and the school achievement mean of the White population. "
"The high IQ scores of the socially classified Black adoptees indicate malleability for IQ under rearing conditions that are relevant to the tests and the schools."

You wanna point out where I've gone wrong here m8?

Malleability != static

Hm?

Alright @Timcast . I have a criticism of the video about the Ford memo. It has nothing to do with your reporting on the memo. My main issue is with what you percieve to be the ability to deny or whatever a supreme Court nominee based on you disliking the opinion of that particular nominee on whether you thought a ruling was too restrictive.

The problem with the process, even with Merrick Garland, was the obvious politicization of the nomination. I'm not going to bother with a chicken/egg argument here. The point is that the "advise and consent" role is SUPPOSED to be a review of the record of the judge and their ability to be fair minded, unbiased in their ruling, and if they are reading the law.

Now I've no doubt people could argue all day about whether or not Congress has ever really held to that purpose or if they even SHOULD be held to it. The point stands, the judciary is ideally only supposed to interpret law. The only real question is what you think is correct in terms of the way in which a judge interprets said law.

For example, you might think that judge kavanaugh was rather opposed (I guess) to the 4th amendment. To that I would say he isn't opposed or in favor of it. He is extremely narrow in his interpretation. The question I would ask in my own mind would be "Why is this judge particularly narrow in the 4th as oppose to the 2nd?"

To this question I look to the text. The 4th amendment is very broad for when it was written. However, in the digital age, it's actually pretty narrow. Whereas the 2nd (if you hold to the idea it does account for individual ownership) is incredibly broad. Anyway, this is my interpretation at least of what I see. Admittedly, I am a often heavily partisan person so take that for what it's worth.

Addendum: Arguably, this lack of following the rules that were setup for the process of making and changing amendments is extremely unfortunate.

Civics knowledge is pretty low these days. I had only half a year of civics taught all through grade school (California).

Most the rest I learned on my own.

I didn't do any significant amount of it until freshman college.

Course I dropped out after sophomore year

I got a college degree and civics was not a requirement. (Also California)

Wasn't a requirement for me either

I did it because I wanted to learn about U Govt and constitution