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2018-09-25 01:44:50 UTC

And some of that extends to us, some of it doesn't

2018-09-25 01:46:36 UTC

On the bright side of things: we're running out of people to bomb.

2018-09-25 01:47:25 UTC

There aren't really any plausible targets for foreign adventures anymore.

2018-09-25 01:48:30 UTC

If we can keep America from killing itself for the next ~50 years we should be able to establish a decent foothold in space and not have to worry so much.

2018-09-25 01:49:39 UTC

We arent running out of people to bomb lol, look around u, the entire us is turning in on itself

2018-09-25 01:50:07 UTC

Theres barely anymore nuclear families

2018-09-25 01:50:23 UTC

That just promotes radicalness

2018-09-25 02:00:06 UTC

Extended families > nuclear families

2018-09-25 03:55:13 UTC

I have an excellent extended family, my aunts and uncles keep in touch and that means so many nice dinners

2018-09-25 03:55:29 UTC

And all the red packets from CNY

2018-09-25 04:06:55 UTC

Hookers and video games > Extended family

2018-09-25 04:10:34 UTC

Hope u all enjoy being slaves and left when the going gets tough for ur loyal wives

2018-09-25 04:11:56 UTC

Hah jokes on you, I am a widower

2018-09-25 04:14:22 UTC

No its on u lol

2018-09-25 05:14:16 UTC

Usually cause the extended family for some reason keeps introducing nice people to one another

2018-09-25 05:14:50 UTC

When the stakes is the entire family as a whole, you get people who are alot nicer to one another. The inverse is also sometimes true, they dont hang out outside the group

2018-09-25 05:15:20 UTC

Not with my experience though, then again, all of my aunts run buisnesses.

2018-09-25 14:22:44 UTC
2018-09-25 16:19:25 UTC

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2018-09-25 16:39:41 UTC

No. You have javascript disabled?

2018-09-25 16:40:26 UTC
2018-09-25 16:40:55 UTC

dont think so

2018-09-25 16:41:01 UTC

ill try

2018-09-25 16:44:53 UTC

works fine here

2018-09-25 16:50:03 UTC

i read it :)

2018-09-26 01:50:16 UTC

i dont buy it

2018-09-26 21:23:43 UTC

I think molyneux has gotten out of his ancap phase a while ago

2018-09-26 22:18:48 UTC

Hi! Where could I ask for sources for a statement in one of Timcast's videos?

2018-09-26 22:22:37 UTC

@Timcast. @bin wants a source

2018-09-26 22:24:43 UTC

Just watched "Social Justice Warrior's Life Gets Ruined by Other SJWs". At about 4:25 an attack at the G20 is mentioned. The name mentioned there soudns to me like Luke Witkowski but I cannot find anything about that.

2018-09-26 22:33:23 UTC

Luke Witkowsk is from We Are Change.

2018-09-26 22:34:43 UTC

There you go.

2018-09-26 22:49:44 UTC

according to bitchute staff, we are change is fake news

2018-09-26 22:50:11 UTC

i havent watch them since i found this out

2018-09-26 22:56:21 UTC

@Poppy Rider Thanks. By the way, apparently it's Luke Rudkowski.

2018-09-26 22:58:18 UTC

Independent of their respective political goals people shouldn't instigate basically a hunt on others and bring to or accept serious harm on them.

2018-09-26 22:59:17 UTC

Looks like the instigator lost his job but doesn't feel like he did wrong.

2018-09-26 23:05:36 UTC

.. which appears to be mostly grounded in how close the journalists appear to far-right personnel. Still no reason to get violent.

2018-09-27 16:56:21 UTC

Is the video of Richard Carrier vs Sargon of Akkad @ Mythcon anywhere?

2018-09-27 21:56:14 UTC

it would be dispicable anw

2018-09-27 21:56:24 UTC

sargon is low hanging fruitster

2018-09-27 21:56:50 UTC

he can do more as he did but its too much effort

2018-09-27 22:03:11 UTC

I doubt that Sargon is able to go higher than that.

2018-09-27 22:03:29 UTC

I have no doubt that Styx is high IQ and very well versed and midly mannered...

2018-09-27 22:03:54 UTC

But Richard Spencer mobed the Floor with Sargon. That's why he said that the Alt-Right is Irrelevant.

2018-09-27 22:04:01 UTC

because they are mostly higher hanging fruit.

2018-09-27 22:04:18 UTC

You might also look at the debate with the White Japanese....

2018-09-27 22:06:29 UTC

Another WOrking Class English Man is "Tommy Robinson", and he did his homework really well, Sargon tries really hard but it does look like he reached his peak or almost did it.

2018-09-27 22:06:43 UTC

i dont get why people like styx.
he only talks most basic shit and his political view is bit lacking.

2018-09-27 22:07:09 UTC

like i dont think he sees big picture at all.

2018-09-27 22:07:31 UTC

Because he usually has a bit different view of things than others....

2018-09-27 22:08:12 UTC

like for me he seems one of those guys who read alot but just repeats what he reads. and cant formulate his own view.

2018-09-27 22:08:16 UTC

and he doesn't give a fuck about left and right, he sees himself as a radical centrist

2018-09-27 22:08:31 UTC

Sargon, yes, Styx no

2018-09-27 22:14:30 UTC

styx has a talent for extemporaneous bullshitting. makes him seem like he knows more than he does when he's able to ramble continuously without stopping to think or correct himself.

2018-09-27 22:16:40 UTC

Sargon's a liberal and for the most part liberals seem to be under the mistaken understanding that the left are seeking out some kind of compromise with Sargon's ilk

2018-09-27 22:27:07 UTC

styx might seem smart to someone who doesnt know about topic he is talking about, because he repeats some info you havent heard before.
but he cant really think him self.
like yeah he might have some "new views" because he always thinks "truth" must always be in middle. but thats logical fallacy.

2018-09-27 22:30:44 UTC

I like Styx the same way I like ReviewBrah, he has an unusual persona he's not afraid to present to the interwebs

2018-09-27 22:32:29 UTC

Sort of how I like Tim's skateboarder persona as well, though his experience with investigative reporting is even more important.

2018-09-27 22:35:47 UTC

@Stefan Payne well idk styx but spencer lost debate to sargon, it was obvious, too obvious

2018-09-27 22:36:00 UTC

although sargon is an easy bait

2018-09-27 22:36:03 UTC

loool, no

2018-09-27 22:36:18 UTC

and easy food

2018-09-27 22:36:30 UTC

sadly i dont have a base so i cant debate sargon

2018-09-27 22:36:57 UTC

Sargon was so bad, he can't won it, because he was a big asshole and constantly talked over Richard, laughed creepy and lost his calm a couple of times. So no, he lost the debate because of that.

2018-09-27 22:37:25 UTC

investigative reporting is more blood warming than news critics, which sargon does well but he is a man of common folk and hopefully he is humble enough to know that

2018-09-27 22:37:47 UTC

but there is difference betwen news reporting and political commentary.
and i dont really care about peoples personality. i care about truth.

2018-09-27 22:38:31 UTC

wait is this about that old "what is white" debate.

2018-09-27 22:38:54 UTC

When you ask why people like something you have ot prepared for the answer to be shallow

2018-09-27 22:39:00 UTC

>sargon: what is white.
see i won that debate. kek.

2018-09-27 22:39:37 UTC

whit is in group preference biological reality

2018-09-27 22:39:40 UTC

``` he is humble enough to know that```
LOOOOOOL, no. See the Allsup video (though I've not seen it), but the existance of that video proves this claim wrong

2018-09-27 22:39:50 UTC

oh ok

2018-09-27 22:39:58 UTC


2018-09-27 22:40:05 UTC

does sargon think he is that good?

2018-09-27 22:40:13 UTC

You can test in-group preference iwth monkeys or chimps or crows

2018-09-27 22:41:07 UTC

i saw him being humble in front of peterson and few times in his videos

2018-09-27 22:41:25 UTC

so yeah i assumed he was

2018-09-27 22:52:18 UTC


2018-09-27 22:53:16 UTC

like, james allsup?

2018-09-27 22:53:56 UTC

that cunt that's reprimanding us brits for not getting a hard brexit, even though we can't cause May won't allow it?

2018-09-27 22:56:02 UTC

Yes, because Allsup called Sargon out for some shit he does (like Insult Metakur with a UKIP Account), but basically he calls for Farrage to lead UKIP

2018-09-27 22:56:12 UTC


2018-09-27 22:56:19 UTC

like farrage can now

2018-09-27 22:57:10 UTC

i understand trying to criticise the politics and policies, but get research done before hand

2018-09-27 23:20:24 UTC

He pulled out the dumb fake news pedo line. Also I had heard someone else was running the UKIP account but I can't confirm that

2018-09-27 23:30:32 UTC

Sargon doesn't control @warplanpurple

2018-09-28 00:03:01 UTC

Which makes Allsup's whole video fakenews

2018-09-28 00:59:18 UTC

Kavanaugh is an alcoholic molester, change my mind

2018-09-28 01:25:54 UTC

Impossible. Burden of Proof is on you.

2018-09-28 01:32:50 UTC

If you'd like to discuss the merits of your argument, I'm game, but since this is an accusation, I'll need your argument first.

2018-09-28 01:33:34 UTC

I'm memeing tbh

2018-09-28 01:34:55 UTC


2018-09-28 03:07:31 UTC

So, a friend sent me a video, it's in Portuguese however there is an interesting part talking about the language used for Obamacare and how the left or as it is in the video title the ideas of Saul Alinksy talk about the change of language https://youtu.be/i11taVO1hIY?t=2646

I for one never had heard about this guy. Although he died in the 70's his ideas are very much what the left is today. I would encourage you guys to look into Saul Alinksy's life to learn about today's left.

2018-09-28 03:43:12 UTC

You never heard of Saul Alinksy? His book Rules for Radicals is the playbook of the left.

2018-09-28 03:44:42 UTC

aren't there thousands of versions?

2018-09-28 03:45:49 UTC


2018-09-28 04:02:55 UTC

Yeah I never heard of him before. In the beginning of the video he mentions that kind of proves his ideas right

2018-09-28 04:03:04 UTC

Not many people know about him

2018-09-28 06:31:25 UTC

I'm really confused by Tim's stance on Ford.

There's nobody coming forward to confirm the allegations and everyone has denied it ever took place. But I still believe Ford because her story isn't especially lurid. Her story seems coached and she's lied on the issue of flying. But she's probably telling the truth. She's being coached, but they wouldn't have told her to avoid stating things that might cause red flags nor would they have rehearsed these talks to insure she seemed genuine. All the evidence points one way (her claims are false at worst, un-provable and contradicted at best)

Yet, she's still being truthful.

About the only way he could resolve the whole thing is if he thinks these new guys claiming to be the actual assailants are telling the truth. But those are anonymous persons and the whole thing is so weird it's going to take some rather crazy evidence to prove. I *think* Tim is alleging that the Democrats put her up to this (which is actually far worse on the Democrats part than her lying) and she's just horribly mistaken.

But frankly, I find it all kind of meandering. Is the assertion that her story is true? It would seem to contradict all evidence Tim is laying out.

Will agree the whole thing is pretty disgusting and things are getting way too intense.

2018-09-28 06:46:47 UTC

She isn't being Truthfull.

2018-09-28 06:48:46 UTC

@pratel I agree. Even accepting Tim's explanation she's letting herself be used for political reasons, which still points to her being dishonest. I stated this in general chat, but unfortunately this means I know I can't trust Tim in the future on any sexual assault cases.

2018-09-28 06:52:23 UTC

Tim doesn't understand if he defends every accuser (he says everyone is shit who attacks survivors) he loses credibility every time they're shown to be liar.

2018-09-28 06:54:40 UTC

At best Ford is knowingly letting herself be used as a weapon against a man she isn't sure about. At worst she is a slandering political hack.

2018-09-28 06:54:44 UTC

Well, knowing he has a blind spot doesn't mean he doesn't have credibility. He has proven to be accurate and truthful in most other areas so I still trust him.

2018-09-28 06:54:56 UTC

I think he just doesn't want to accuse people willy nilly

2018-09-28 06:54:58 UTC

Oh, I do mean in this particualr area

2018-09-28 06:59:02 UTC

Man I didn't get to watch all of it live. but just saw a clip of the polygraph part. She admits crying through the polygraph test. Doesn't being over emotional through a polygraph test invalidate it?

2018-09-28 07:00:00 UTC

I don't know enough about Polygraphs..but aren't they inadmissible in court because they just aren't really all that accurate?

2018-09-28 07:01:59 UTC

I was just pointing out that it almost definitely gave even worse results if she was crying while giving the test

2018-09-28 07:57:57 UTC

Polygraphs prove nothing except for heart rate

2018-09-28 08:40:34 UTC

By the way, Tim saying I know because her behavior. She's a psychology professor she might be capable of faking the behavior. And that was Tim's only "evidence". I don't have twitter or post on social media, but I didn't appreciate him saying that people who think she might be a sham are shit. Lindsey Graham pointed out that Feinstein office was recommending a lawyer to Ford before august 20 when he met with Feinstein meaning Ford was prepping about a month before they revealed the allegation. Ford could have declined to be involved or voiced her lack of confidence in it being Kavanaugh but chose to at that time go in on the political stunt before she got coaching as Tim speculates. Even if something real happened to Ford at some point, most evidence points to her being a political operative in this instance. This is where Tim blind spot is revealed.
Does anyone know any good reporters for these sexual assault cases? This seems to be an area that's a real blind spot for a lot of people covering the news (not just Tim). Shapiro is pretty bad on this as well, Philly eat a D isn't great either, and a lot of others don't cover it (I don't blame them).

2018-09-28 11:06:56 UTC

Can pls ask someone Ben if he is a Siscon?

2018-09-28 11:08:21 UTC

He said a couple of times that his sister was the one who introduced his wife to him....

2018-09-28 11:48:45 UTC

The thing to remember with Tim's stance is that, unless you can find the info to say "there is no way she could have been in that area during that time and she knows it", it's hard to prove she is actually lying. However, for him to actually declare she is lying opens him up to slander.

2018-09-28 11:51:45 UTC

There is also the fact that someone, with a very similar style story may be discouraged if the default response they all see on the news is "clearly women who have blocked out memories are just lying for some kind of gains or revenge". The easiest way for Tim to avoid all these pitfalls is to simply say "whoever assaulted her wasn't Kav, and the Dems clearly have been using this for political gains at her experense"

2018-09-28 11:53:56 UTC

Declaring her guilty without evidence is no better than declaring Kav guilty without evidence. And unfortunately, the beauty of her allegation is that it is very hard to prove she lied. And if you really want to prove she had ill intent, follow the money. Her attorney is working for free, so follow that go fund me money.

2018-09-28 14:12:25 UTC

And tim fucks rabbits

2018-09-28 14:12:44 UTC

See its not Tim’s job to prove he’s not a rabbit rapist

2018-09-28 14:12:57 UTC

Its my job to show he’s a bunny fucker

2018-09-28 14:13:19 UTC

If i cant then I should not be belived

2018-09-28 14:18:27 UTC

but you might not be lying

2018-09-28 14:18:47 UTC

you may very well have seen him fuck a rabbit.

2018-09-28 14:18:53 UTC

but didn't take a video or a pitcutr

2018-09-28 14:18:58 UTC

You are right so we should stop watching tim because of the allegation

2018-09-28 14:19:36 UTC

Btw I saw you fucking the rabbit too

2018-09-28 14:23:03 UTC

Grenade is correct

2018-09-28 14:23:23 UTC

My problem is with tim saying she's honest, she's not. He could just say her claims are not credible.

2018-09-28 14:24:10 UTC

Because she wasn't proven a liar in her accusations.

2018-09-28 14:24:33 UTC

Perjury is a crime.

2018-09-28 14:24:43 UTC

perjury is hard to prove

2018-09-28 14:24:52 UTC

Innocent until proven guilty is in effect though

2018-09-28 14:25:10 UTC

are the media and dems treating him like he's innocent?

2018-09-28 14:25:41 UTC

And so we do to others what we don't want done to us?

2018-09-28 14:26:17 UTC

It's apparent and provable that the left is playing a political game with the accusation

2018-09-28 14:26:18 UTC

Die with principles huh?

2018-09-28 14:26:59 UTC

We can accuse them, but to difinitively state that she is lying on all counts, that nothing ever happened to her

2018-09-28 14:27:22 UTC

That's Bullshit.

2018-09-28 14:27:23 UTC

I want the burden of proof to be held above my claims and everyone else’s I dont believe shit unless i have evidence and anyone who does believes without evidence is a twat

2018-09-28 14:27:43 UTC

Don't need to say she's lying. just that the claims have no credibility

2018-09-28 14:27:52 UTC

the "claims"

2018-09-28 14:28:02 UTC

Well why did you rape me

2018-09-28 14:28:08 UTC


2018-09-28 14:28:09 UTC

I'm pretty sure Tim's said that much.

2018-09-28 14:28:19 UTC

Tims saying shes honest = telling truth

2018-09-28 14:28:39 UTC

About being a victim

2018-09-28 14:28:43 UTC

Why did all of you run a train on me

2018-09-28 14:28:51 UTC


2018-09-28 14:28:54 UTC

I agree, I do think she was a victim

2018-09-28 14:29:06 UTC

Not enough crying, fati

2018-09-28 14:29:16 UTC

Do you believe her claims about airplanes?

2018-09-28 14:29:16 UTC


2018-09-28 14:29:24 UTC

Is that better

2018-09-28 14:29:35 UTC

I also have a fear of eating

2018-09-28 14:29:38 UTC

no. That means she's not a credible witness

2018-09-28 14:29:51 UTC

That doesn't mean she's lying on all counts

2018-09-28 14:29:55 UTC

My family had to hold my hand last time i ate a burger

2018-09-28 14:30:16 UTC

Do you beleive her claims it was 100% kavanaugh? do you beleieve her claims about location?

2018-09-28 14:30:32 UTC

I'm convinced they both believe their own stories.

2018-09-28 14:30:46 UTC

If she's not credible why are we even listeneing to her about kavanaugh?

2018-09-28 14:31:48 UTC

You're arguing against perspectives not present

2018-09-28 14:32:07 UTC

She was basically allowed to go before the nation and destroy a man's reputation regardless of her credibility

2018-09-28 14:32:26 UTC

and you admitted she was not based on things we knew before she testified

2018-09-28 14:32:35 UTC

Why do we put people on trial if they can just be found not guilty?

2018-09-28 14:33:07 UTC

You're arguing against an irrational position.

2018-09-28 14:33:10 UTC

We didn't get any new information

2018-09-28 14:33:46 UTC

She provided it all by letter she did manage to stall the vote

2018-09-28 14:34:42 UTC

The dems saw this worked and "new" allegation just started popping up demanding their own day at the hearing with more demands

2018-09-28 14:39:06 UTC

As kavanaugh pointed out, she asked for anonymity.

2018-09-28 14:40:59 UTC

It was a political operation that exposed her.

2018-09-28 14:41:26 UTC

She was lawyering up in august almost a month before the allegation came forward

2018-09-28 14:41:40 UTC

This isn’t a trial this is a witch hunt

2018-09-28 14:42:21 UTC

An anonymous accusation would have been worse

2018-09-28 14:42:53 UTC

this is common is dem playbook see: trump, herman cain, clarence thomas. difference is the #metoo movement

2018-09-28 14:43:32 UTC

in past we would not have allowed the circus without real evidence

2018-09-28 14:43:52 UTC

in the mean time keith ellison wins elections

2018-09-28 14:45:05 UTC

@Faticati I agree if they would have allowed it to remain anonymous it would have been worse

2018-09-28 14:45:25 UTC

we have a right to face our accusers.

2018-09-28 14:45:50 UTC

What I do not understand is why you want to destroy the accuser when you don't have to to make your case?

2018-09-28 14:46:16 UTC

Apparently, we do because believe all women.

2018-09-28 14:46:53 UTC

It's about as self destructive as saying 'boys will be boys' to dismiss the accusations

2018-09-28 14:47:25 UTC

If Judge Kavanaugh doesn't get the nomination what job can he get?

2018-09-28 14:48:28 UTC

Also why do we have to destroy the accuser?

2018-09-28 14:48:59 UTC

I agree with you to an extent but that is a separate issue

2018-09-28 14:49:13 UTC

regardless of whether he's put on scotus democrats are going to try to impeach him.

2018-09-28 14:49:42 UTC

If the Dems weren't playing politics they would have investigated and nothing would have happened because she hasn't provided evidence.

2018-09-28 14:49:56 UTC

Your stance is to burn the protection that burden of proof applies

2018-09-28 14:50:19 UTC

what protection?

2018-09-28 14:50:47 UTC

Lying to Congress is a crime

2018-09-28 14:51:05 UTC

they crafted the accusation vague enough so she couldn't be jailed.

2018-09-28 14:51:11 UTC

And you are convicting her in the court of public opinion

2018-09-28 14:51:38 UTC

You're no better than them in that regard

2018-09-28 14:52:13 UTC

There's a cultural issue plaguing both sides.

2018-09-28 14:53:18 UTC

This is extremely simple NO EVIDENCE NO BELIEF

2018-09-28 14:53:27 UTC

I am saying this never should have gotten this far.

2018-09-28 14:53:53 UTC

Right now outside they're saying believe all women.

2018-09-28 14:54:06 UTC

all smiles

2018-09-28 14:54:21 UTC

What I don't get is the automatic dismissal of someone's testimony based on the fact that she's unclear on certain details.

2018-09-28 14:54:55 UTC

'false in one, false in all'

2018-09-28 14:55:16 UTC

Is a legal principle

2018-09-28 14:55:25 UTC

A person can be sure something happened in childhood and not remember the date/time.

2018-09-28 14:55:36 UTC

Yeah, why dismiss on lack of evidence? /s

2018-09-28 14:55:53 UTC

there needs to be corroborating witnesses and/or evidence. individual testimony is worth very little, even less if there is no specificity or if it's unfalsifiable.

2018-09-28 14:56:07 UTC

witnesses deny it happened, even her friend

2018-09-28 14:57:14 UTC

if you want to help women who have been victimized you need to start teaching young girls to immediately come forward when they have been victimized, and to go to the police. the police. not friends, not family, no teachers, or therapists. the police.

2018-09-28 14:57:30 UTC

she didn't even do that

2018-09-28 14:57:45 UTC

Why would the friend remember? She was downstairs.

2018-09-28 14:57:51 UTC

and it's not victim blaming to tell young girls not to engage in demonstrably stupid and risky activities.

2018-09-28 14:58:08 UTC

like underage drinking at a party where you don't know anyone.

2018-09-28 14:58:09 UTC

Her friend said she never met brett.

2018-09-28 14:58:25 UTC

and doesn't remember being at any event like the one described

2018-09-28 14:59:06 UTC

met probably meaning being in the same place at one point in all their years

2018-09-28 14:59:11 UTC

people claiming to be feminists are infantilizing women and removing their agency, and actually exacerbating the problems they're claiming to champion.

2018-09-28 14:59:32 UTC

yeah, I hate this because it make credible claims look bad as well

2018-09-28 14:59:51 UTC

credible = with more evidence

2018-09-28 15:02:05 UTC

I expect more claims with no evidence or credibility until some people start looking at their own biases

2018-09-28 15:02:08 UTC

You guys don't see the trap you're in.

2018-09-28 15:02:17 UTC

I'll explain in a moment

2018-09-28 15:03:08 UTC

Is the trap that I want evidence? (and we didn't get it in this case)

2018-09-28 15:07:22 UTC

I'll check back in and try to respond when you post your thing. Got to do some work.

2018-09-28 15:13:11 UTC

Lindsey Graham was right. Change my mind

2018-09-28 15:15:57 UTC

@Beemann He's Republican QED

2018-09-28 15:16:23 UTC

So was McCain

2018-09-28 15:16:29 UTC

So is Flake

2018-09-28 15:16:47 UTC

So was Bush, so is Rubio

2018-09-28 15:17:54 UTC

So, here's my premise.

2018-09-28 15:18:31 UTC

I support Kavanaugh. I believe he's innocent until proven guilty. I believe the entire hearing was a farce

2018-09-28 15:19:36 UTC

I believe one of the most telling moments in the hearing was Booker asking Kavanaugh if he would've preferred the accuser hadn't come forward.

2018-09-28 15:20:19 UTC

That would be a sustainable objection at best and a disbarment at worst in an ACTUAL court of law.

2018-09-28 15:21:02 UTC

The trap we fall in to, though, is hypocrisy.

2018-09-28 15:21:39 UTC

That's because the only thing that differentiated this from a kangaroo court was the number of dems in seats lol

2018-09-28 15:21:52 UTC

If we believe that Kavanaugh is innocent until proven guilty of his charges

2018-09-28 15:23:18 UTC

We can't make charges of perjury - and make no mistake that's what you're doing when you call her a liar - without evidence.

2018-09-28 15:23:48 UTC

And the absence of evidence in one is not sustainable proof of the other.

2018-09-28 15:24:57 UTC

If you dislike this court of public opinion, you have to step up and take the high road against it.

2018-09-28 15:25:09 UTC

I think her claims can be ignored due to zero evidence. Whether or not I think she's a liar is irrelevant.

2018-09-28 15:25:10 UTC

Not someone else, it has to start somewhere.

2018-09-28 15:25:11 UTC

Both can be true though, she can not be lying and Kavanaugh can not be a sex offender

2018-09-28 15:25:30 UTC

Which is the position I've consistently held

2018-09-28 15:26:18 UTC

Because the same protections that protect Kavanaugh are the same that protect Ford.

2018-09-28 15:26:54 UTC

It's been over 3 decades. She could easily misremember details. Mistake Kavanaugh for someone else, coping mechanisms could have kicked in etc

2018-09-28 15:27:29 UTC

Unless you have evidence to prove she's lying about ever being a victim, you have to accept an impasse.

2018-09-28 15:27:54 UTC

Otherwise you risk hypocrisy, and that will only strengthen your opposition

2018-09-28 15:28:01 UTC

It's not even an impasse

2018-09-28 15:28:09 UTC

It is, though.

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