I can't just scan a video.

Don't

Watch it.

If this is yet another "robot cars are replacing truckers" and "Deepmind is going to create strong AI and replace humanity video"...

Not replace humanity.

But replace many if not most jobs.

If it's just "AI will replace jobs" argument, we've seen that since the Luddites.

It shifts the optimal point of the economy and people do other stuff.

Yes, this time is not the same.

Why is this not the same?

Watch the video?

It addresses that point.

I got a hunch I've heard it before.

And I don't have time to sit through a 15 minute CCP Grey video.

GCP

whatever.

If the argument is that this time their coming for the white collar jobs.

The Luddites were upset that automation was coming for farming and skilled manufacturing.

Okay fine, name a job that can't be automated.

They were sorta right. Not as many people farm any more and we don't line up 100s of people in a workshop to make firearms one-by-one anymore.

What's the job that we're moving people into.

But farming and skilled manufacturing is still around.

Arts for one.

I'm getting slowmo'd.

Hollywood is making more money than before.

Art is an attention based economy, you can't just retrain people to be an artists.

What?

No, you just do what you want.

Sure, attention is limited, but that's everything in this world.

How are they going to make money?

Making stuff people care about.

For who, other artists?

Whomever cares to watch it.

You're not replacing all engineers and surveyors.

There's too many factors to just toss an AI at it.

Surveyors probably, engineers maybe.

Depends on the engineering.

AI is good at eliminating the boring stuff that doesn't really require too much complexity. Like watching watching security tapes.

No, surveying is a task which requires a good deal of logistics and care in setting up your instruments.

Yeah, writing news stories, and making music, and improving algorithms.

And there's fundamental limits which make eliminating engineering basically impossible.

AI sucks at facial recognition

Facebook, Google, Youttube already trust mot of the engineering work to automation.

You can automate the calculations and some idea generation, but there's hard limits on how far you can take that.

define "most of the engineering work" Last I heard they were still hiring coders.

they have to, with millions of minutes of youtube content being uploaded every day, thats undoable for a normal person

Okay, like .01% worlds jobs are safe, GG guys

No, this whole "AI is going to put everyone out of work" is badly overhyped.

And reflects a lack of creativity and understanding of fundamental limits.

They are putting people out of jobs, not ARE putting people out of jobs.

nah people get the limits, they just dont know we're not close to achieving the desired outcome 😉

Like, AI is already in a position where it will likely be dominated by a few major players just because they have all the data

And with stuff like GDPR...

Can your brain functions be replicated by a computer?

That's a hard question to answer.

And I'm not sure it actually matters at the end of the day.

It does.

Since you don't need a full brain to do that many tasks.

That's the question, is there something magical about being human that makes us irreplaceable by a robot brain.

we dont know how, but its possible

Now we're just debating metaphysics.

nah

No we're not.

its possible, but compare it to like:

"Can we live on any planet?"

Sure, just gotta learn to terraform

And terraforming takes hundreds of years.

exactly

is it possible? yes
Can we do it now? Fuck no

One thing I would point out with this AI stuff.

You saying that AI will NEVER replace X job is the same thing as people who said they'll never flay, they'll never break the sound barrier, they'll never split the atom, and so on.

It doesn't entirely matter. If AI starts becoming sufficiently powerful, we'll integrate it into ourselves.

And then it's a completely different distinction.

Now that's just fallacious.

There's been lots of stuff people have said would happen that never did.

Like what?

Look at old sci-fi. People wonder over all the stuff they got right but forget all the stuff they got wrong.

we'd have a moonbase by 1980

We could.

We just did have a economic motive to do it

Didn't have one that is.

Humans are not horses, is the main issue with the argument against market solving the problem

It's a gross oversimplification of the issue

I'd argue there's an even deeper issue. Everyone gets this strong AI/human distinction. But it doesn't exist.

Who said anything about it not be an optimal state?

Why would you not want automation to take over.

If I send a person into a field and s/he uses his/her cellphone in the process do I account that to the person or the cell phone?

to fuck over people 😉

That's not the same thing and you know it @pratel

Also the cashier example is funny, considering people are stealing groceries in ways they couldn't before

Yes it is and you know it @Dennafen

If AI is sufficiently powerful, it integrates with humans.

That's not true at all.

Like cell phones integrated with most people rendering some tasks moot.

Like, you don't need to be a skilled navigator anymore.

How has facebook integrated with humans other than to distract and enrage us?

I'd bet most people don't even know what "orienteering" is.

shows us peoples lives

Exactly.

Facebook has "replaced" certain things but enabled others.

No it doesn't it shows peoples fantasies.

And reality doesnt?

You partake in your friends relationship issues?