We're not allowed to, though, because "all cultures are beautiful."

True , but even if we did lots would not suddenly respect us , we’ve been flooded with the trash and garbage of other cultures

they would if we show them that our success is due to individual rights

wew

the problem is that our moral justification for rights was traditionally religious

What success , the west has been declining since the 50s

Same time individualism became such a big thing

how are you measuring that

thats because we abandoned the conception of rights 100 years ago

Declining morally , politically , culturally

This debate has suddenly shifted right above my head.

I think I'm gonna get back to my games

America is the result of the enlightenment, the decline of America is the decline of the Enlightenment.

its about philosophy.

phillosophy and ethics

we have lost them

Yes.

^^^

to the subjectivists

Indeed

what the west needs is a moral justification for individual rights and a moral condemnation of group rights.

a secular one

thats because we're not educating people how to think for themselves, only how to behave

and at that point you can just tell them to behave liek you want

you're right

thats because our intellectual leaders have embraced subjectivism/romanticism

(what we need is Ayn Rand)

nah, intellectual leaders are using it as a tool

people that think for themselves are bad for leaders because you can't control them, a horde of drones is all you need

cuz you can use the horde of blind fools to keep the intellectuals in line for your own goals

What America needs is no Hispanic immigration any more , they vote for the left and keep flooding into Texas and pretty soon Texas will be democrat because of the immigration and when that happens America is finished

the intellectual leaders dictate the structure of education and of philosophy for the wider world and political landscape

Jayred that’s one of the reasons white nations are being flooded with non whites , because they are on average less intelligent and therefore easier for a superstate to control

exactly

look: the Democrats and the Republicans aren't that different. The problem is not with immigration. Unfettered problematic immigration is a symptom of the wider amorality of the society.

IK republicans aren’t much better but they’re a bit better for your rights in America

150/100 years ago, people were flooding into America illegally: to work.

Revolver are u right wing ?

I'm an objectivist

Sensible

In other words

So mister central I can be biased basically

Cant*

I don't think its worth supporting either side because they are both coming at things from the Altruist romantacist morality

philosophy preceeds policy

What would you want America’s near future to look like

If you could , what would u change now

I'm similar to the libertarians

I would completely deregulate the market.

Return of true capitalism

As lf should be

because ultimately, the government is conceptually a destructive force, whilst the market is a creative force, and neither can change their nature.

Capitalism is globalism , communism is far worse ,

globalism is a meaningless term

Centralisation then

On ever fewer corporations

thats socialism

i mean globalism has a real meaning

capitalism is not globalism though

Capitalism is consumerists materialist nihilism , and if u care about people from other countries , especially third world , capitalism exploits them completely for your comfort

Work in some shit pile sweatshop for no money

Endless hours etc

thats not true

Capitalism being something people do

It's not a thing

before the sweatshops, there was starvation

no, wealth disparity causes poor countries to corrupt themselves and let us legally fuck them over

Pakistan ^

it just happens that capitalist countries are the wealthiest and best at negotiating

wealth disparity and corruption existed long before capitalism did

the only reason why third world countries are exploited is because **the citizens don't have rights**

politicians of countries that are poor have an incentive to sell their country to immoral corporate entities

I’m all for capitalism to a degree , I don’t think trans national companies should be able to dominate completely an area or gain to much power because they have a massive impact on politics too.

you could argue that capitalism facilitates that, but any government structure is capable of fucking over another in this way

Agree ping

This isnt some thing that needs to be fixed unless you are a 'for all mankind' type

i suppose thats why socialist countries did so well in surviving corruption over the decades

what with them banning capitalism and all

no it doesn't "just happen" that capitalist countries are the best! don't you understand that its ideas that dictate the fate of a country? Don't you understand that the success is intrinsically linked to the rights of the individual?

because ultimately, a right is a requirement for **life**

and to deprive someone of their rights is to deprive them of their means to live.

i'm with Revolver Ocelot on this

If people are genuinely as free (as we can give them without anarchy) they'll have an incentive to reach the top, they'll work hard, try to be smart

which in turn improves their country

Yes, business as it is today is done by free people who have the right to make their own business or offer their labour to others

I’m not a socialist either mate , honestly I don’t like any modern economic ideologies , there’s lots wrong with all of them , socialism is just communism lite

Freedom is paramount

Liberty over everything

(Civic)

there is no difference between communism and socialism. They both follow the same philosophy.

Singleton , what about when those minorities who think collectively vote you out of your rights for being an evil whitey

they are both morally wrong.

and those Sh*thole countries are also there because the actual smart people from there realise its shitty so they move to the west, hence the west keeps the smart people and the poor countries lose them

I thought communism was the Intended outcome of socialism?

Jayred isn’t that called brain drain

Also yes they both strip the rights of the individual far too much

no, socialism is just a rebranding of communism done in the 20th century.

seriously, learn some history guys

Eh?

we've tread these paths before.

it is, and thats whats causing major damage to those countries too, because when all the good and motivated people leave, whats left? weak idiots easily susceptible to corruption and oppression

go and read "the ominous parallels" by Leonard Peikoff.

When was communism present before the 20th century ?

Will do