Yes jayred , although the places many of these people are coming from wouldn’t succeed anyway because smart people are in a big minority

Socialism = Communism with a state still in tact

but since people can't function without a state to help them, there can never be true communism
hence the closest to it is Socialism, making them essentially the same thing

Communism was invented in the 18th or 19th century.

I see

thats why the soviet union is a "socialist" place but refered to as communists

its essentially the same thing

Also, I'd like to mention that the majority of Nigerian immigrants typically have a high class degree. They are very productive individuals. Don't blame individual people for the political systems they are trying to escape from.

where the idea is that success should be divided amongst everyone, so a "community" can become strong and wealthy

this has never worked in practice because humans are too greedy, lazy and selfish and simply not the same, so there will always be "better workers" that will outdo the bad workers, and will get demotivated cuz all the "extra work" they put in is not rewarded to them but others

this is why people in socialist places tend not to work hard anymore

Communism is morally wrong on principle. It punishes ability and rewards you for being worthless.

exactly

it enriches the use of being a loser/victim, something the progressives mimic, because it gives them pity-points for power

In such a short time

We should blame the irresponsible politicians who brought them here in uncontrollable numbers

there's a really good description of how communism becomes such a monster in Atlas Shrugged.

sadly i think the current european politicians are actually thinking they're doing good as opposed to grabbing power

they've started to believe their own nonsense because they're disconnected from the normal peoples lives because they've been in power too long consecutively

you are still missing the point. The reason there is a problem with crime is that nobody is making the case that enlightenment values are not only morally sanctionable, but desirable.

therefore, people are turning to other philosophies like nihilism (one of the roots of communism) or mysticisms like Islam.

but don't you see? thats how Muslims see islam comapred to the western values

They see their "values" as morally sanctionable and desirable

Enlightenment values is just another term of "our side knows better"

the whole point shouldn't be to find some specific values, its to find "the best" values, and we learn that by studying history and the world, and then say "lets not repeat THAT"

That's as many didn't come here with the intention of integration

In the most recent large wave

Since it got up around 300,000 per year in the UK

but 100 years ago, the Middle East studied the west to try and learn the secret to their success, but by that time it was too late. The rot had already set in, and socialism and nationalism were taking over. Thats why the Middle East is filled with Theocratic Fascist and Socialist states like Hamas.

I told you, the reason why they aren't integrating is because we are telling them to hold onto their culture.

in other words **its our fault**

nah, those places became like that because they believe in groups. its a case of "your tribe is a bunch of animals", and WE are the true faithful, and our spiritual leaders decide who is right and who isn't

Many wouldn't let go anyways and yes I can agree with that

We don't put our standards above theirs

America's problem is America. Britain's problem is Britain. Germany's problem is Germany. How hard is that to see?

and i agree, the reason they're bringing their shit here is because we for some reason as a society decreed that even though for hundreds of years, our culture was CLEARLY superior and the one people should want to adopt, we tell tehm their barbaric views are just as wise as ours because "equality"

This Is the ultimate failure of multiculturalism

yes, its cultural relativism from the intellectual class.

And it won't change until we bring back the enlightenment.

no its the ultimate failure of collective thinking, where the "group" is more important than the individual

under the current leftist "group" every single view is equal, and truth is an opinion, hence the individual doesn't matter anymore, what the group thinks, is what is truth

Self hatred and fundamentalist looking equality

and thats just madness

True madness

but collective thinking is part of the philosophy of today

its a central part of altruism.

philosophy is asking questions in everything

collective thinking isn't asking questions, its accepting orders

That is the great truth that Ayn Rand understood but everyone refused to accept

its that Altruism **requires** that you put the group above the individual.

they didn't refuse to accept, they realised Ayn Rand was stupid in her Objectivism

Also philosophy is relevant but the worst part is the post modernism, it's not enough for things to be true

They care who said it, not what is said

**Post-modernism stems from altruism**

Plato ==> Kant ==> Nietzcshe ==> Marx.

Altruism isn't the most human trait as they go

What we're doing right now is Objectivism, trying to find a way without emotions, no subjective opinions, jsut the "flat truth"

Whilst this is waht we would WANT to achieve, humans are group animals, and most are idiots

Objectivism won't work to run a society because idiots will gladly destroy it in name of whatever carrot a smarter person dangles before them

Unless voluntary out of friendship

thats not what objectivism is

I have to admit that this conversation has kinda gone over my head now, so I'm just reading.

you are assuming that people don't have the capacity for reason.

If anything its an overriding of wishful thinking

Feelings being the issue

Cynicism is the tragedy of our age. It is what prevents people from accepting that when given rights, people don't just murder and steal from each other.

People just want trump to be evil to they get cognitive dissonance and serious biases

the market is the ultimate embodiment of objectivism.

its individuals trading value for value.

i'm not saying people don't have the capacity for reason

I'm saying that the overwhelming majority of people will gladly throw reason aside in order to be in a place where they feel like they belong (the pack)

because they are told to.

no, because its SAFE

No it's inate

"no subjective opinions" is an unrealistic goal

thats not the goal of objectivism...

Humans will naturally prefer something more dogmatic and mad if it gets them Into the in group

its asserting that you have a mind and a right to use it.

no they won't! Are you denying that America exists?

People chose to be irresponsible and ignore or wayleigh truth for the animal desire for acceptance

More often than not

Anyways

America was the embodiment of the objectivist vision.

yes and as i said, the majority of people will rather be just a middle person in the group than a shining person that asserts individuality

to a large extent

America the embodiment of objectivist vision, please

it wasn't perfect of course

America is just as much subjective as the Soviet Union, the only difference is that they had the luck of siding with Capitalism

notice how I said **was**

and notice how i compared it to the soviet union, i'm talking through all time

you are still only talking about the cold war

i'm talking before that too, the whole point of the civil war was that, where the confederates wanted less rules from the North, less taxes

They asserted themselves as independents, and the Union crushed them for it

in the 19th century, individual rights were paramount, and do you know why? because individual rights were given by god. So when the 20th century comes and atheism rises, the justification for rights, the philosophy, evaporates.

that is where America is today.

thats bullshit, god didn't give people individual rights, the founding fathers did

that is why they are perfectly willing to just throw them away for a few more social programs or whatever.

their justification was god

no it wasn't

in fact it was the opposite

then why do creationists always say "god given rights"?

they wanted a land where anyone could be FREE, regardless of their beliefs, be it spiritual or political

yes I know what they wanted

because creationists are retards that think god created existance

but they couldn't morally justify it through the philosophy of Altruism, so they had to just leave it as god.

If god gave them individual rights, he sure did a nice job of protecting them for the west

I told you, the justification of god has gone. That is why the enlightenment has gone.

Altruism is bull too, people don't do things out of their own kindness, they do it for a personal reward, those that show kindness do it because it makes them feel good, not because they believe in being kind

yes it is

but its the basis for morality in the modern age.

ask yourself: is it moral to be selfish?

yes