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2018-05-29 19:41:22 UTC

Yeah and since he pleaded guilty

2018-05-29 19:41:29 UTC

That happened no ?

2018-05-29 19:41:32 UTC

No

2018-05-29 19:41:38 UTC

His lawyer wasn't even there

2018-05-29 19:41:52 UTC

I am no legal expert so cant say how that works

2018-05-29 19:41:58 UTC

In fact, his laywer had been actively -lied- to about proceedings.

2018-05-29 19:42:00 UTC

It was very fast for sure

2018-05-29 19:42:19 UTC

Very fast is an understatement.

2018-05-29 19:42:52 UTC

I can only say that it sure looks like he broke the suspension on that sentence

2018-05-29 19:43:16 UTC

So its hard for me imagine him getting away on technicalities with it

2018-05-29 19:43:51 UTC

Being denied a lawyer or having the state interfere in justice proceedings is hardly a technicality

2018-05-29 19:43:52 UTC

It's very easy for me

2018-05-29 19:44:03 UTC

This is a full blown case of criminal mistrial.

2018-05-29 19:44:46 UTC

He was denied the right to legal council, literally a right equally fundamental to a fair trial as the very concept of 'innocent until proven guilty'

2018-05-29 19:45:21 UTC

This is not a case of 'oh, his name was spelled 'Tomy' on the official documents so it's mistrial, he goes free'

2018-05-29 19:45:27 UTC

Well but can you throw the case on those grounds is what i am asking. Because he did broke that suspension and filmed himself doing that

2018-05-29 19:45:31 UTC

Yes.

2018-05-29 19:45:50 UTC

Well it will be interesting watching that

2018-05-29 19:45:51 UTC

In any properly functioning legal system, not only would you be able to throw the case, you would be able to get the judge -barred from office-

2018-05-29 19:46:12 UTC

Well it did look strange

2018-05-29 19:46:20 UTC

You'd be able to get so much money in reparations their grand children would still be paying you

2018-05-29 19:46:25 UTC

Fast track trial with media blackout

2018-05-29 19:47:02 UTC

But the core of the case

2018-05-29 19:47:24 UTC

Him breaking the suspension is valid

2018-05-29 19:47:35 UTC

Again, that wasn't properly established.

2018-05-29 19:47:35 UTC

Unfortunately

2018-05-29 19:48:10 UTC

It wasnt properly establiahed but even i can see it happened

2018-05-29 19:48:19 UTC

He filmed himself doing that

2018-05-29 19:48:27 UTC

Irrelevant what someone can 'see' happening.

2018-05-29 19:48:39 UTC

You mean everyone

2018-05-29 19:48:57 UTC

You can have literally millions of eye witnesses, someone is -innocent- until the opposite is proven by due process in a court of law.

2018-05-29 19:49:04 UTC

True

2018-05-29 19:49:28 UTC

Thats the reason why he got into trouble in the first place afterall

2018-05-29 19:49:52 UTC

But you have to admit that in propper trial he would lose

2018-05-29 19:50:22 UTC

Again, doubtful, as I've seen plenty of arguments as to why he's innocent.

2018-05-29 19:51:23 UTC

Why ?

2018-05-29 19:51:43 UTC

I have seen arguments why the law is bad

2018-05-29 19:51:59 UTC

But none to why he could not have break it

2018-05-29 19:52:06 UTC

He arguably wasn't reporting from court property, I've seen people claim he wasn't reporting on the case, and merely using the courthouse as a backdrop...

2018-05-29 19:52:25 UTC

Come now ๐Ÿ˜€

2018-05-29 19:52:40 UTC

Thats very weak

2018-05-29 19:52:43 UTC

If any of this is true or not, I dunno, we've not had a proper trial to establish the facts.

2018-05-29 19:52:58 UTC

No but we can have opinion

2018-05-29 19:53:10 UTC

And he clearly did reported on the case

2018-05-29 19:53:17 UTC

In real time

2018-05-29 19:53:26 UTC

During court proceedings

2018-05-29 19:53:34 UTC

Thats the problem

2018-05-29 19:54:19 UTC

To paraphrase Jean-Luc Picard: "A trial is a crucible, in it we burn away irrelevancies until we are left with a pure product: The truth." This 'crucible' was tainted, willingly so, and as such, to protect the concept of innocent until proven guilty, a mistrial must be declared and Tommy has to walk free. His guilt is, due to the actions taken against him, utterly irrelevant now.

2018-05-29 19:54:51 UTC

Well it will be interesting for sure

2018-05-29 19:54:59 UTC

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth ironically, people are usually more likely to get a sunburn, because they are less likely to put on sunscreen or seek shade, but are still in the sun the whole time.

2018-05-29 20:02:15 UTC

@zutt @Somi regardless of the truth, if there is not a fair trail, you cannot say with 100% certainty it was the truth. He may very well have lost a trail.... but he may not have. that is the point of legal counsel. He did ask what was considered court grounds to one of the officers or officials standing outside the court. This could be reference to trying to avoid breaking the law again. There is also where he reported any more than what other news outlets were reporting. But since the well was tainted, he could very well be let go....which is ironically what the defense of the media ban on the very trail he was reporting on is to prevent. to keep potentially guilty people from being let free because the trail is tainted by media coverage that has cause the jurors to be bias.

2018-05-29 20:03:16 UTC

(this, ironically, despite the fact that the jurors' potential bias was irrelevant, as the case he was at was simply at the sentencing stage already, not in the midst of procedure)

2018-05-29 20:03:28 UTC

Well its interesting for sure

2018-05-29 20:03:47 UTC

there is a 3rd group being tried in September that is related to this trail

2018-05-29 20:03:48 UTC

I myself dont think it was worth it

2018-05-29 20:04:03 UTC

while these guys were found guilty, the 3rd group might have innocent people in it

2018-05-29 20:04:22 UTC

which is why the media ban is still in place

2018-05-29 20:05:31 UTC

who's bright idea this was? maybe some activist in the court system trying to keep this quiet as long as possible, who knows

2018-05-29 20:09:31 UTC

>footage of Luik attacker shouting aloha snackbar

2018-05-29 20:09:49 UTC

>"he has the profile of a repeat offender, not a terrorist"

2018-05-29 20:09:56 UTC

lmao

2018-05-29 20:12:15 UTC

how about, if you call your god great in arabic, and murder people while doing it, we can consider it political violence aka terrorism

2018-05-29 20:23:18 UTC

Check this out. ABC story on Roseanne getting canceled in both links. Itโ€™s the same story, but they changed the original title which was โ€œ Roseanne canceled after stars controversial commentsโ€ to โ€œ Roseanne canceled after Roseanne Barrโ€™s racist tweetโ€

First version http://archive.today/h4jla

Second version http://archive.today/KdO52

Why did they change it?

2018-05-29 20:24:32 UTC

guessing someone complained that it wasnt contrversial

2018-05-29 20:24:57 UTC

@Timcast
On Friday: 13 months in prison for reporting on the court case.

Today apparently it is okay to report on that court case.

That is just one working day later.

Here is the court record:

Is there a mistake here????

http://www.thelawpages.com/court-hearings-lists/Leeds-Crown-Court.php

2018-05-29 20:26:16 UTC

This seems to be the same trial that the previous day caused TR to be locked up
(I would upload a screen shot but that option not on this channel)

2018-05-29 20:27:03 UTC

Lol

2018-05-29 20:28:59 UTC

If Roseanne is actually getting canceled I hope Fox picks it up.

2018-05-29 20:29:23 UTC

Itโ€™s guaranteed money

2018-05-29 20:30:42 UTC

@CreativeRealms I don't know how anyone can watch that show

2018-05-29 20:31:13 UTC

I'm not a fan of the SJW stuff they added but at least it isn't as bad as most other shows these days.

2018-05-29 20:31:20 UTC

My wife loves it.

2018-05-29 20:31:39 UTC

New Tim Pool vid is up.
https://youtu.be/N9GfcjwUQTg

2018-05-29 20:32:02 UTC

na man I can't listen to roseanne speak without hearing that noise when you scrap a chalkboard

2018-05-29 20:32:43 UTC

Hahahahaha!
โ€œ Musk Brosโ€
These people are clowns.

2018-05-29 20:46:25 UTC

all i can think of is her national anthem

2018-05-29 20:51:25 UTC

musk bros must smell awful.

2018-05-29 21:11:47 UTC

"You nitpicking spoons."

2018-05-29 21:14:29 UTC

She has a Skyrim background. o:

2018-05-29 21:14:42 UTC

100% a man.

2018-05-29 21:19:06 UTC

Does tim count as muskbro ?

2018-05-29 21:19:16 UTC

<:GWtogaPagChomp:384871972229742592>

2018-05-29 21:21:55 UTC

Also

2018-05-29 21:22:06 UTC

Elon Musk is basically a scientific businessman

2018-05-29 21:22:21 UTC

two of the leading companies of science in their fields

2018-05-29 21:22:25 UTC

HOW IS HE AGAINST SCIENCE?

2018-05-29 21:25:43 UTC

I find interesting that she can recognize your race from your twitter acc

2018-05-29 21:26:07 UTC

right, is that scientific sample?

2018-05-29 21:26:16 UTC

I would have thought that tech journos are smarter then that lel

2018-05-29 21:26:43 UTC

pretty much all journalists fall in a similar bucket these days

2018-05-29 21:27:25 UTC

Well in my experience the science reporters are extra bad

2018-05-29 21:27:42 UTC

probably becasue they think they are extra smart

2018-05-29 21:27:47 UTC

They dont take time to research their topic

2018-05-29 21:28:02 UTC

And then print loads of nonsense

2018-05-29 21:28:15 UTC

same with tech journalists, a la gizmodo, engadget, the verge, and ugh, ars technica

2018-05-29 21:31:40 UTC

Elon v the daily beast

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