First sign of ignorance? Ask them what AR stands for.

it's not assault rifle?

./s

yeah

but quizzing people is like a shit test

I think we just need more firearms education in public school

it's a fucking right ffs

I think knife and firearm training would be good

with current tech (Airsoft, air rifles) you could very easily train someone for short range stuff; make sure they don't negligent discharge

They tried to put fire arms education in schools. The Democrats were all for it until they found out that the NRA were the ones that usually did the training.

I think 20 years before I started HS they had a designated shooting range

My dad was from a small town in AL and he always said during hunting season kids would bring their guns to school so they could go hunting afterwards. They just left them in their lockers.

I don't even care; I honestly don't support everything the NRA stands for.

yeah

what was once commonplace

I'm thinking of getting on the 224 valkyrie train

maybe I'll wait another year or two to see if there are better bullet designs

have not head much about the 223 valkyrie

I usually just stay with the older calibers. Afraid of buying a gun in a new round and not being able to find ammo for it.

It's a chamber with higher pressure and I think a slightly longer neck

it's just 223 remington with a larger piece of brass

ok, thanks

I think federal's ammo uses 90gr SMK's

which do not fit into most mags when loaded correctly

Dies already exist which is good

my target 223 wylde loads are all 69 and 77gr's

I mass prep 62gr SS109 for trash, since it performs well enough

lots of folks bitch about it but I've had absolutely wonderful success with them, getting moa groups without much filtering

It cheap and works well enough for field work.

yes

24.3 gr of H335 does really fucking well with minimal crimping

Never loaded my own ammo.

it's slightly below M855 in velocity by like 30fps on average using a sample of 100 each

I live in CA so I pretty much exclusively do it in anticipation for the 2019 ammunition purchase permits

also I do ELR stuff

and you really want fire formed brass for such things

You, with no ammo limits in my area and the fact that I stick to common and popular rounds there is no real savings for me to reload ammo.

yeah

I shoot some weird/expensive shit too that costs shitloads to buy

458 socom and 338 lapua are really expensive things to feed

The most exotic I get these days is 303 british

The prices for 338 lapua is ridicules

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeup

I decided the advantages outweighed going to the more common 300 winmag

If your using it for long range accuracy then yes.

It's just a little leap forward for where the transonic period occurs while putting a bit more on target in terms of weight

The added weight and some of the newer bullet designs really convinced me the most

interesting

They get super high BC's

.85's and above

berger OTM hybrids especially; but there are a bunch of monolithic solids for target shooting that are very nice

You'd never want to shoot an animal with one since it'd just go straight through, but for targets, why not?

When hunting, do you want ammo that pierce? Not sure but I assume you want to generally kill on the first shot.

When hunting you want enough penetration to reach the vital organs and not much more. The 338 lapua would go straight through anything you shoot. So its a lot of wasted energy and you have a high speed projectile still going down range.

Ah, I see, some piercing, but not enough to go all the way through

yep

That's why hollow points are so popular for hunting. They transfer of the energy to the target, giving a cleaner kill

Lapua magnum? Huh, I forgot 338 Lapua was the name.

Damn, fucking jealous of you guys.

Be jealous of the other guy, no way I can afford a 338 Lapua.

you can afford the gun

but not the ammo

lol

I paid out for a sako TRG

I think I posted it in SP

But I'll post it there again

reminds me of the joke about .50 bmg guns. That they shoot five dollar bills.

I’ve probably shot $100/round before. Literally burning money.

sounds like a bunch of Moneyshots to me

To get a few coworkers into guns I'd drop a hundred on a range trip

I blame having too many guns

Work it in the end to have people support the 2A

yes

If I didn't handload

I'd be around 5 dollars per round

7 for the lapua built stuff.

The biggest story of our time, the story that future historians will be writing about, isn't Russian collusion, isn't Islamic terrorism, isn't climate change or even Donald Trump's tax returns. The biggest story of our age, is a story that is taboo for us to even discuss. A story which is being cloaked in a conspiracy of silence by our political class, both left and right. A story that dares not even speak its name. That's right, by far the biggest story of our time, is the deliberate demographic transformation of some of the oldest and most successful societies on earth. A demographic transformation, which is seeing every European and North American nation systematically changed, from being populated by white Europeans, to being predominantly populated by non-whites imported from the third world. A demographic transformation which dwarfs other historical events such as the expansion of the Roman Empire or the Norman conquest. A demographic transformation that, were it happening to any nation's other than white nations, would be called ethnic cleansing and be the subject of endless UN resolutions aimed at ending it. In fact, never before in the course of human history, has an entire culture, race and civilisation, so thoroughly and willingly turned against it's own indigenous peoples and decided to hand over it's lands, social capital, cultural heritage and national identity to competing alien cultures - without a fight. And yet this colossal story is being wilfully, wantonly and very purposefully, ignored by a highly politically motivated corporate media. A Media which is now effectively acting as a self appointed Diversity Commissar. A Commissar who believes its primary role today, is to decide what it is, you don't need to know.

Huge fucking wall of text, mate. Learn to parse.

I largely agree with that statement, Aussie. If that were what you were fighting against, I'd be on your side. But you can't do surgery with a broadsword. The Alt Right ideology is an overcorrection.

Also, thank goodness Tim gave me a new word today. 'Semantic Campaign'.

I think it explains what's going on Ryecast, yes I know it's a lot to read but what we are dealing with is very complicated. I don't think surgery will save the west when we are dealing with Millions of people. You don't use a fishing rod to catch lots of fish you use a net.

Like I have said previously, we need a political revolution all over the west to save it.

I do think worrying about violence is a waste of time at this point, myself, since in either case I think it's simply an inevitability.

Let me take that fishing analogy a little further;

A big problem with net fishing is that it catches everything, including fish you *can't* eat. While "efficient", net fishing causes far more damage then regular fishing to the ecosystem; and therefore impacts future yeilds.

In order to create the white ethnostate, you would have to install tyranny. While you can benefit in the short term from not having to deal the with problems of minority and immigrant groups, you would not have to deal with a tyrannical government that has the power to remove people it deems *undersirable.*

As true as that is, you're thinking about Step 7, where Step 2 is of immediate concern. If we can't resolve even Step 2, then it will be useless to worry about how it might affect Step 7.

Which I think is to the benefit of the alt right, since often the conversation leads to "but if you do this, it'll lead to violence." I think the alt right's mistake is them getting hung up on thinking of ways or trying to assure us, "oh no guys, it doesn't have to be violent, really." When really, what they should be saying is, "Yeah, it will, but if things keep going the way they are it'll lead to violence anyway.", making the point a moot one.

@Aktriaz If we need tyranny and violence to save oursleves I think that is better than beeing whiped out.

At the very least they'll then be owning up to it.

I don't want to go that far but if it means our survival I think we should.

This isn't me picking a side, btw, I just think we're well beyond that point of no return when it comes to avoiding violence.

At least in Europe.

The left has been acting authoritarian for the last 50 years and we may have to act the same way to fix this problem.

@JadenFrostwolf "As true as that is, you're thinking about Step 7, where Step 2 is of immediate concern. If we can't resolve even Step 2, then it will be useless to worry about how it might affect Step 7."

Really weak argument. Since when did looking at how your decisions impact the future become unwise?
*If you want to go that route,* then making the wrong choice at Step 2 could make the right choice at Step 7 undoable.

This is a pointless argument.

I think Americans should keep an eye on California. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il4CwUm0pKY

I'm not saying it's unwise, I'm just saying we shouldn't be focusing on Step 7 at the expense of Step 2.

Commifornia is already lost. It is Americas Sweden

Besides, I think it's possible to undo a tyrannical government should one arise, as we've seen it countless times already.
Undoing extinction? Not so much.

Agreed, the tyrannical forces of the culture of the west since post ww2. They knew that if they did not remove the west, the west would stand against them.

The west has survived so much.
>the fall of the Roman empire
>the Dark ages
>several invasions by the Muslim world and occupation of servral countries like Greece, spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, ect
>several plagues including the black plague which whipped out 1/3 of Europe's population
>several religious wars which truned Europe against it's self
>two world wars which killed millions of the best men and women of the west
>eastern Europe after a half century of Communist occupation
The west survived all of this becase it composed of whites not some foreign peoples.

there are a lot of locals