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Still though... the massive flaw in this argument is that @Grenade123 brought this thing up and compared it to the covington situation which is a typical false equivalency between left and right. People like you will pick some fringe activity of some small group on the right and compare it to something mainstream on the left.
*relatively small
its a small group on the left too, the problem is politicians which bend the knee to these small but loud groups
My family is christian and I have never heard of anybody in our church or community even thinking of sending someone to gay conversion camps. there was a gay teen at my family's church
thats good for you
it is prominent journalists on the left
very good, I have plenty of left leaning friends who also don't like hate speech laws
your point?
and celebrities
and a ton of people on twitter.
remember tims vid? remember the study? the far left is something like 8 percent
currently they have been the loudest and most bombastic in the last 5 years
yeah and yet somehow the dems keep supporting this crazy rhetoric on TV
how is it still on TV if nobody agrees?
because the stations had lots of money before, and have been struggling to keep people tuning in
fox news gets way more traffic than the next 3 big lefty networks combined according to viewership
Tim sees more traffic than a lot of these places
money can keep things on TV, doesn't mean people tune into watch it
Fox gets a lot because there's not many options on the right
on TV
and its only been the last 2 years that they ramped it up to 11 in terms of ultimate crazy
I've seen the ratings. the left networks combined are more than the rights
before 2016, dems still wanted a wall
although we do have the problem of people who vote based off party and not what people are saying
that exists on both sides
people on the right are often voting against the lefts policies
and the people on the left vote against right polices
people on the left are often voting against the people on the right. not necessarily the policies
but because "that party, in my life time, once voted for x", they never look at the recent polices
yeah tbh
like i said earlier, if i had gotten into politics at least a decade ago i likely would have supported the Democrats more
nah i think a lot of it is "those republicans are racists I don't want to hear what they're saying"
people rarely look at policies. doesn't matter who you are. you look at headlines. then vote against the policies reported in the headlines. regardless of what the law actually says
I'm a black guy and a LOT of blacks have this attitude
i just happened to get into it, like, last year, and no thanks
black people actually are more aligned with republican policy but they vote democrat because of personality
i love black people who have the balls to stand up for what they actually believe in
when you see a black person wearing a MAGA hat you know they put up with a lot of abuse for what they believe
i wouldn't wear a maga hat
dangerous
precisely
indeed, remember when being gay was dangerous?
when you see one wearing one you know theyre brave and done putting up with bullshit
when was that? back in the 80s?
or was it 60s
remember that cell phone video of a white dude yelling at a black guy in a MAGA hat at some restaurant
being gay had some danger to it in certain places. because they were seen as weak targets for criminals
honestly the biggest danger of being gay is screwing some random dude and contracting HIV
but today being a guy in a MAGA hat makes you a target of non-crimiinals
pretty sure if they attack you, they are criminals
yeah lol
if i were black and wanted to wear a MAGA hat i'd also be wearing a bodycam XD
first time or not, if it wasn't maga, it was something else
what i mean is... gay people were attacked as a form of business. some criminals were just out looking to make some money.
it was an enterprise
pretty sure maga hats aren't making all those male feminists rape people
but now, people who would normally be law abiding are being violent because of a hat
but maga hat are abusing poor old fridge repairmen
if they would be violent because of a hat then they deserve to be arrested and have that go on their criminal record
definitely
awol fridge repairmen
i bet nathan philips was awol bc he was too busy doing a plethora of recreational drugs tbh
he looks like the kind of dude
probably.
He might not have ever left base while AWOL. Just stoned on a rock somewhere
Recently @Timcast said he agrees with AOC on a lot of issues. I want to see him address this Green New Deal.
>n>
tim noooooo
green new deal is the worst policy to even approach washington
depends on whose perspective we're seeing it from. Trump's people love it because it is very easy to make a campaign against. Usually democrats hide their ultimate goal and take little steps towards it. Obamacare was a little step towards Medicare for all. Roe v Wade was a little step towards infanticide etc.
But AOC is being honest.
I love the bit about cows.
yeah lmao
AOC is a gift to Trump, honestly
Yeah some times I wonder if she is controlled opposition
The media loves her because of their far left bias so she's become a poster for the current Democratic party, so she makes the Democratic party look horrible because of how blunt she is
Trump almost doesn't have to do any work to make her look terrible
She does it herself all the time
I think the issue is that the Dems don't understand Trump. They think that she can be the same kind of force that he was.
They use similar tactics but Trump is really pursuing traditional conservative policies. While she is going crazy
ah
yeah they might
remember dems complaining that AOC can't run against Trump in 2020
she can run in 2024 tho
I look forward to it
oh i hope she does
and consdering how much the media already adores her theyll likely ensure shed get past primaries
I still can't believe how much she blew up
In a pretty short time span
She was created by the MSM.
@MrORANGE Never forget that รbama was a NOBODY. He was hand picked in 2004 to run for the U.S. Senate. He served 2 years before running for President. He never did anything in the legislature. The Dems went back and added his name to several bills to give him some cover. But in 2 years AOC will have more experience than รbama before he ran for the White House.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIy0qSLG0Tg Retarded PA logic
Aoc will never be on the Democrats ticket imo.
She is too much of a wild card and ignorant of the world
Sure Obama didn't have much political experience but he also didn't act like a lunatic
good point
establishment dems are already trying to get rid of her because she gives away the agenda too clearly
video games cause autism
change my mind
lel
that's some good bait
That fuckin green new deal tho
It reads like a fucking fanfiction, like they ripped it from tumblr
Reading the New Green Deal fact sheet. I have come to the conclusion that The Onion is a legitimate news outlet doing real journalism.
Change my mind
There are no late fees on electricity bills in Australia, only "discounts" for paying on time.
This is more on the positive side, however
lol shit, Ilhan Omar is a smidge older than me
Like 4 months older
Holy shit.
That is one of the cringiest things I have ever seen.
Cleavage + hijab? :vomit:
And what the fuck is that tone of the video?
She sounds as if she is talking about some drama with her boyfriend.
It's like a vlog from some teeny thot - but with hijab.
This is the song I had to think of when I listened to her bullshit: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3y9llDXuM
Remember the lady friend I was talking about the other day? It sounds like she didn't vote for her
I did link her some Tim videos to educate her on some of her (AOC's) insane policies
I only care that people conduct themselves in the manner I want them to
to hell with their politics, obama couldve nuked russia and the press wouldve been falling over themselves to justify it
Ryan Dawson is like a savant of many topics
Yeah, pretty interesting stream
@halfthink libertarianism is a good direction the problem.is people with iw of 120 and below will have hard time living under it. People with iq of under 90 have hard time in current society but it doesnt mean its a bad direction. Its the best one actually
i heard that the democrats did the same thing to that tea party man who tried to limit corporate interests in politics
poor thing
and no one cared
the idea of new yorks abortion law causes me to physically cringe
I wonder if famous youtubers have their name in here
I wonder if the founders of that site are on the list.
social media was a mistake.
>Google is helping us
OK..
"Prof. Dr. Occasional Cortex" X-D
That Gnome is vicious
lel
If you see something from the Gadfather, its mostly satire.
what the fuck did I just watch...
It is part of why I don't agree with a lot of economic policies of Bernie Sanders.
I don't understand why people support him and I don't understand why Tim supports/supported him.
Ah, I should add this: The graphic is lifted from the video above, on minimum wage.
@Machete_HD wtf is AIPAC?
So, they are lobbyists.
Well, can't really blame them for pushing their agenda
its hilarious becuae now the far left is gonna try to adopt far right points of view to try and eat away at trump's base. Im gonna make some popcorn LOLOL
shoulda put "trumps base" in quotes lol
If those points are adopted in earnest I don't care.
That would be equivalent to saying that they have been shifted to the right, which is fine by me.
They don't "remain left" while adopting points that are right wing, in earnest. That is a contradiction in terms.
dont know, dont care. its fucking hysterical.
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Should do the same for Mexico
I don't see anything too wrong in that statement.
A bit hypocritical as it's so unevenly applied, but correct as stated.
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@Undead Mockingbird `unevenly applied` where?
In regards to who happens to be a US ally.
@Undead Mockingbird trying to parse what you graphed there, where on that graph do you put the line of "jobs actively destabilizing the lives of the people doing them"?
@Undead Mockingbird if you are talking about China - they are too big of an economy unfortunately.
It's not my graph, but what I believe it's meant to show is that the amount of jobs lost to hikes in minimum wage is whatever portion would have been in price on the side of supply between the minimum wage and the point of equilibrium in which a market would have settled.
I think that's a reasonable assumption. The value of your labor has not changed. The price simply is a misstatement of its relative value under minimum wage.
Well then. Are the same people opposing the (solidarity-motivated) minimum wage offering alternatives, in your opinion?
What did change however is the value of the paper you are awarded in the end of the month. Inflation and all that. Unfortunately countries don't automatically accommodate for inflation for some reason.
Thus the original minimum wage is always decreasing
For some reason you can't say that capitalism is fucking people over increasingly without getting labelled a socialist. Which is beside the point, though, because, you know, it is.
Capitalism is the natural way. Unfortunately as a by-product it creates poverty.
So then, more solutions, less smear, please.
Smear? Or you weren't talking to me?
...or whatever prevents people from having fruitful conversations these days.
Like maybe I'm romantic and try to see the good in people, but with the example of Mrs. Cortez, becoming a public figure appears to have revealed how little clue she has - and only marginally how her ideas are in fact counterproductively terrible.
or maybe becoming a public figure means that you employ a board of advisers whose job it is to come up with that crap.
It seems that there is a lot of people who want to replace capitalism, but the only option they see is Socialism. Instead of trying to invent some new economic system, people just try to revive this monster.
I agree.
For example there was once a proposal to cap max money a person can have. And if you have an unspent amount in the end of the month - it goes to government.
So, just as you begin every new day with 24 hours, you will begin every month with some constant sum (based on your job and other factors) and have to live within this sum all the month
But it's hyper govt control if they are taking your money and telling you you're not allowed to save money
Why hyper?
> Are the same people opposing the (solidarity-motivated) minimum wage offering alternatives, in your opinion?
Alternatives to what?
I was against a similar proposal in my country, btw. I found it too stark on telling others how to do what they want, and it would have astronomically bumped tax evasion, too.
What problem are we trying to solve?
Just discussing are there reasonable alternatives to Capitalism
The market misstating the value of labor? It would solve that. No further steps are necessary.
@Undead Mockingbird let's try to address actively life-destroying jobs.
@mar77i Where are you that they wanted this? Canada?
Switzerland
Actively life-destroying jobs? I am not sure what you are on about.
Coal miners?
Youtubers?
Still, I am not sure what problem you are solving. You seem to imply it, but can you state it please?
You want to get rid of coal miners?
lol no.
How is that related to the minimum wage?
I am confused as hell right now.
It's it's because we were talking with mar77i and you jumped in the middle of the discussion
My thesis was that minimum wage leads to the price of labor misstating its worth. All theoretical foundation points to it, all outcomes point to it.
What are we debating?
I don't think youtubers or coal miners would fall in any of those categories.
I mean people who grew up in a bad place and only get in deeper shit trying to make ends meet gluing greeting cards or whatever.
I jumped in? I am not sure. I am slow to reply because I am at work.
@-๐๐๐๐ฃ๐- as a matter of fact @Undead Mockingbird started addressing a question I asked before we started discussing other things.
oh
But if the conversation moved on already, that's fine.
carry on then
I'm studing anyway
Also, maybe we can discuss miners whose mines were shut down... apparently IT isn't very popular in those circles.
Okay, but is that still related to the minimum wage?
if all you ever did was digging up some minerals and need new opportunities, you won't be educated or specialised in (m)any other topics. so you might end up failing to make ends meet.
Yes, that is true.
But how is that the fault of market demands?
The price tag assigned to your labor simply reflects supply of and demand for your labor.
I don't know how it can be brought into relation with market demands. I'll go and assume that maybe employing people for mind-numbingly dumb work isn't fun either, moreso if it's just for the sake of it. So why is everyone losing their shits over "Learn to code"?
The question is rather: What is a meaningful thing for an affected govt to invest in, so that people can help themselves?
It sounded like the minimum wage was the fix for some specific problem we had articulated.
@Undead Mockingbird I'm as doubtful of the minimum wage as the next guy, really. The question where you reentered my field of attention was aimed at alternatives to the minimum wage, remember?
> at alternatives to the minimum wage, remember?
Yes, but if we both agree it's not needed, why search for an alternative?
What do you replace a tumor with?
Do we want people being unable to make ends meet?
People are less able to make ends meet with no job at all.
It simply raises the bar for what an employer has to pay and if they had not hired you at that wage before, it means that afterwards the price for your labor is overstated, which means they are not going to hire you after.
I approve of that, mostly. If they have jobs and dig themselves into payday loans, maybe no job would actually save them keeping to try unsuccessfully.
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