why would this be important?

i'm saying theres absolutely NO importance to it

it hasn't shaped me as a person

what your ancestors did, what they believed, how they lived, you think has no effect on you?
mate every word we say, every thought we think in abstract can be traced back to our ancestors. we stand on their shoulders.

What my ancestors did and believed is of no importance to me, as i don't even know

Its what the societies in Europe did thats of importance as that laid the groundwork for modern europe

it's important to make peace with the past and have a coherent narrative just like it's important to make peace with your own Father.

It is not, whats important is having a sense of freedom, and principles on what is right and what is wrong

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```What my ancestors did and believed is of no importance to me, as i don't even know

Its what the societies in Europe did thats of importance as that laid the groundwork for modern europe```

Your ancestors built those societies. A society is the sum total of the people that are part of it, am i wrong?

by that logic, immigrants become part of the nativies, because they become part of society

so you tell me

I reject the past as a plan, because history is a set of lies agreed upon

I only see the past as a way we can prevent mistakes that we have recorded

you are moving away from the Nation State model so your societies are no longer built just by say Dutch people.

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I'm for maintaining the Nation state model, cuz i dont want to end up like America,

Where you shoved taht aside and instead replaced "Nations" with "Race"

@Dr.Wol do you think if I come to Netherlands as a Tamil person, I'd be able to identify with your Great Heroes of the Past?
say if I'm a German Tamil, will I really be able to feel that German Guilt of World War 2?

What is a Dutch person?

^ this is what your future is

No, but i don't either, i dont identify with any hero of the dutch past

No, tell me how you define dutch

Do you think i should feel shame for my ancestors having enslaved countrless of negroes in Africa and selling them like a commodity?

I am not guilty for the sins of my fathers either

i define the dutch as a sleazy, farmer society that has capitalism values

@Dr.Wol If you think that's how it was and that it was a bad thing then Yes, you should. If you inherit all the good parts of Dutch History, Culture and Identity, you must also own up to the worst of it.

cuz we have farm lands, we make money, and we have drugs/whores and cut-throatery

nations destroy their own inhabitants' cultures tbh

I have to do no such thing

So if a person confirms to all those adjectives they are Dutch?

I am not responsible for the actions of what people did 200 years ago

if they do they're part of dutch culture, sure

If they also have dutch nationality i'll consider them dutch

I think we probably agree on more than we disagree and I think this is probably a good place to end this discussion. :D

I'm of the mindset that if you assimilate and embrace the culture, and get a nationality of said country, you become part of it

We probably do yes 😦

What is Dutch culture then?

suffice to say, i'm wholeheartedly for preserving our western culture

Is being born in the Netherlands

Atleast you can carry the discussion without getting triggered or giving up and memeing or ad homs @Dr.Wol

Dutch culture is being blunt, wanting to make profit, and live a life as best you can,
beign pro-weed, okay with having prostitutes

And building many cloggs and windmills 😉

Fucking Degenerates

Amsterdam <:FeelsGoodMan:411245877701902336>

Never been, want to go

Prostitution is legal in dutchland?

I always wondered why hooker laws are wierd sometimes.

Like illegal to buy but not illegal to sell

it's legal in Deutcheland

Well, its because I'm convinced that we're of the same mindset in the big picture

But on the details we just slightly graze next to each other

they don't want to put women in jail that's why @GingaBomber

But pimps?

In holland its fully legal to have hookers

Are they selling?

We have a whole red-light district in Amsterdam

with windows full of naked, toked up wamen

how come feminists don't shut that shit down

cuz government earns money from it, and money > value to a government

Some say its empowering

THeres feminists that say its woman taking charge of their body

Its a legal practice, so its taxable

they haven't hit the 4th wave in full force in Amsterdamn

i think most women hate men too much to allow prostitution, it's basically men using female body for pleasure

they can't, by the time they reach the district, the air will induced a high already 😛

and feminists shut down those girls on race tracks or different kinds of convention events, so they're not really big on the freedom Arguments

srsly, the district, or "De Wallen" as its called, is nothing but sleazy prostitution establishments and drugs 😛

But they shut down those sex doll brothels

cause apparently inanimate objects are either objectification or they cant consent

Feminists will use any excuse they have to justify their hate

its why they have no principles

As long as they get what they want, they'll grasp any excuse

and its not just feminists

tbf to them there are many different schools of feminism

^

You have the genuine "empower wamen" feminists who are like "wamxn can do what they want, so prostitution is them taking control of their sexuality"

but I'll agree that they're not really big on coherence of narrative

and you have seflish power-hungry feminists who just want to do it to feel powerful, and if they can cut off a supply of sex for men

Then men will have to deal with them instead

If men can't buy sex, they need to date etc, and since theres roughly a 50-50 ratio of men wamen, you can't just say "Well, i'll just find a non-feminist" and have everyone be happy

they basically wanna monopolise sex 😛

If it becomes socially acceptable to fuck robots, Cucks wont have to kiss the feet of feminists in the hope of sex

and then feminists lose a whole army

https://twitter.com/jbillinson/status/1051627281687478272

thats just incredible 😛

who is that? Barbara Bush?

https://twitter.com/d2davison/status/1051635335044579328?s=19

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you think this real? @Abel

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It wouldn't hurt to let people know

well can be a trap or summin

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1051479886873985029

its on

Lul Creepy uncle Joe

also no Hillary in that, I call Russian Hax.

I'm not sure how that will play out yeah,

I have a feeling no-one in the democratic party wants hillary to run cuz she'll ruin things again

But i think she herself might want to give it another go

cuz she desperately wants to be the first female POTUS

She thinks it is owed to her.

and she will destroy people to get her way.

Ivanka will be the first female POTUS, obviously.

I'd love Nikki Haley as president

I don't think so tim.

She'd be a good leader

I think Haley..is gonna go as Trump's VP.

in 2020

I wish Hillary and Michelle Obama run 2020

that'll be another meme election

I don't think Michelle O would VP for Hill

The Obamas and the Clintons supposedly HAAAAAATEEEE each other.

i had no idea

I think if Harris or Warren get the nomination..Michelle would VP for them, under the condition she doesn't have to do anything if they win.

regardless, not one of the people of the list will be able to stand against Trump

Nope.

Biden might stand a chance..

but Trump is gonna bring up AAALL the fun Biden clips

nah, if its biden then they wont get the "Its time for a wamxn" vote

so people will not vote on that level of progressivism anymore if its biden

Well progressive people won't vote for biden

and Trumps economy is gonna secure the rust-belt and black vote i think

he is way too easy to #metoo and..well

Warren will run to weaken sanders

Sanders wont be allowed to run for DNC again i think

he has stated. "You can't walk into a 7-11 without talking to someone without an Indian Accident..I am not joking."

his socialist talks have damaged them too much

Nah they will let him run

a race with Biden might actually be interesting

The danger of him running oitside is too big doc

I don't think Biden will get much real support if he runs.

Race between people who have a Public History is always Spicy

err

maybe they'll make true on that fight they tweeted about 😄

Sanders*

Biden and Trump in a fist fight

Sanders seems weak

The Bernie supporters have abandoned the DNC.

after what they pulled in 16

Sanders is too old too

They want him run as democrat so they can "make him lose"

Biden is Hillary type of Swamp Creature

Biden is probably worse than hillary in that aspect

He is younger then trump i think

Biden gets reaaaalll creepy

Tho looks older

Maybe you'll get Biden with Hillary as VP

And then Biden steps down if they win, making Hillary president

No way

Hillary isn't going to VP for anyone.

Biden is 75 i checked like 5 mins ago

I hope they go with that Plan

her Ego won't allow it.

true

desperate people do strange things

But y'all right earlier it would be surprising if they run Biden given he's White Male n all

Yeah.

but again I think Hillary is gonna run again.

and it is gonna be Hillarylarious

i don't see that being a thing realistically

it will probably be someone new

its hard to say really,

Hillary practically owns the DNC,
She wants to be president

But the DNC and democrats KNOW that no one wants her, and she'll just lose again

She wants too.

and the Clinton Machine will destroy people to get her way.

and everyone in the DNC knows this.

i hope you're right 😂

Hillary for example was already the nominee before the primaries even started

the other democrats were just puppets for her to kick around for points

and Bernie would be a "big problem" she'd deal with

imagine, Hillary losing a third time, she will probably go insane after that

they didn't expect Bernies support to actually get that high

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/08/joe-biden-knew-could-beat-hillary-clinton-feared-negative-campaign/

That is why Biden did not run in 16

he knew the Clintons would destroy him.

I had a feeling Biden didn't run cuz of her

So in other words Joe Biden is a scared as bitch

meanie

I mean

Clinton Machine.

yeah, Biden is scared of his own people, let alone big scary Russiaaaa 😉

like, consider what the Clintons have done to the people who accused Bill over the years?

she's probably gotten more ppl shot than we know

That's why I hope Dem's tell him and Pocahontas to take a hike in 2020,they had the national name recognition to possibly stop her coronation and force millions of americans into a sophie's choice of evil vs eviler in the ge

i don't think it's gonna be Warren

Trump isn't evil, he's a god 😄

realistically tbh it's probably gonna be a Kamala Harris

trump is sucking that saudi load just like obama and the bushes

That is the Trump character in Smite

Nah, most realistic is Hillary. We know she has the Ego, we know she is pissed she lost twice in a row, and we know she can scare the DNC into backing her.

Trump just wants to make money,

Anyone that gives America business/work/money he'll be friends with

i just noticed his right knee

has is face on it yeah? 😛

ye lol

You know in 2008 the DNC told Hillary "Please don't destroy Obama, he is black, we can have the first black guy before the republicans..so please don't destroy him, we promise in 16 we will give it to you.."

well i wouldn't be surprised

its their tactic after all

this is why Biden will never get the ticket

not over Hillary no

Oh you don't think Hillary couldn't have found dirt on Obama?

i kind of wish obama turned on her after she basically ran a racist primary campaign against him and then one of her surrogates kickstarted the birther movement trump and others pushed forward

she'd have dug up his Kenya birth certificate? 😂

like i wish obama would have endorsed biden in 2015 as a big *uck you to that racist war mongerer

wouldn't have mattered, Trump would've stomped Biden all the same

they'd have lost the Progressive vote if Biden ran

@RomanReigns If that happened the Clintons would have destroyed Biden

and probably Obama.

trump barely won by 100k in wi,pn,mi against a woman who didnt even campaign in the rustbelt,called voters deplorable to energive the gop,then called people in her own party who supported bernie basement dwellers. He barely beat that bitch

and you think Biden would've done differently?

they would have the same strategy

I love this video so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

add to that literally the only candidate by either party running for president in the history of usa who was being investigated by the fbi

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@RomanReigns Well yes Trump was in reality a terrible candidate

You could easily make a case Hilary was the shittiest most incompent candidate from a major party in 100 years. It's really a tossup btwn her and McGovern

but..well you only have to let your opponent be worse.

It is Hillary

by far,

you guys are right ofc,

people would overwhelmingly vote for the "sane" candidate

Still, i think Trump is doing great as president 😛

I mean Romney saying his 47% comment in 2012 was thought to have been a game changer,and yet she was like hold my beer Mitt I will talk shit about people in both parties and I will not even apologize or try to say they were misstatements afterwards.

well, part of Trump's problem was that some folks in the right didn't trust that he was sincere.

yes

That is why I didn't vote for him.

would you vote for him now?

He is 95% of the way there.

😄

i think thats what will ofc clench the 2020 for him,

People actually have faith in him this time, and he's actually doing great for the american economy

Since he has wrapped himself in the economy and tried to take all the credit for it,that will haunt him if their is a recision in the next 2 years

thats what they dems are praying for yeah

look at Maher

dudes a millionaire and claims to be "for the people" yet prays for a recession

Has nothing to do with wanting or not wanting,recessions happen in ebbs and flows historically

well yes

theres no "infinite" economic bubble, its gonna happen, we just dont know when

Truthfully if Trump had browbeat the GOP into a better tax cut I would have been happier.

he might do that if he wins midterms

or if he stumped for the big things...like last year Cruz put forth an amendment for term limits.

I would have loved it if Trump took that ball and ran with it.

The tax cut was the gop's version of the healthcare bill. 0 reform just lowering rates at the upper end and no real simplification of the tax code and removal of exclusions and loopholes. It's basically doubling down on a broken system like Obamacare

didn't everyone get taxes cut?

middle class get some but those go away in a few year's,short term they do

Mine did

and even the bush tax cuts were short term

and..nobody in their right mind isn't going to vote them in permanently.

because in a few years it will be a "tax raise"

just like Bush's were.

but thats the hole point of a tax RELIEF isn't it? 🤔

You lower it, people get more money, they can upgrade their lives a bit,
Then you put it back, and people will be in the same income state as before, but with more stuff cuz they had a while to gather more/spend more

ofc ideally you'd cut them permanently, and also cut the budget to make up for that

but with a cut budget, government has no reason to raise taxes and expand their influence 😛

I ean

that is what I want

slice the budget

Swear to god, the next person to speak is getting rimmed.