Message from @rhite
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```What my ancestors did and believed is of no importance to me, as i don't even know
Its what the societies in Europe did thats of importance as that laid the groundwork for modern europe```
Your ancestors built those societies. A society is the sum total of the people that are part of it, am i wrong?
by that logic, immigrants become part of the nativies, because they become part of society
so you tell me
I reject the past as a plan, because history is a set of lies agreed upon
I only see the past as a way we can prevent mistakes that we have recorded
you are moving away from the Nation State model so your societies are no longer built just by say Dutch people.
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I'm for maintaining the Nation state model, cuz i dont want to end up like America,
Where you shoved taht aside and instead replaced "Nations" with "Race"
@Dr.Wol do you think if I come to Netherlands as a Tamil person, I'd be able to identify with your Great Heroes of the Past?
say if I'm a German Tamil, will I really be able to feel that German Guilt of World War 2?
What is a Dutch person?
^ this is what your future is
No, but i don't either, i dont identify with any hero of the dutch past
No, tell me how you define dutch
Do you think i should feel shame for my ancestors having enslaved countrless of negroes in Africa and selling them like a commodity?
I am not guilty for the sins of my fathers either
i define the dutch as a sleazy, farmer society that has capitalism values
@Dr.Wol If you think that's how it was and that it was a bad thing then Yes, you should. If you inherit all the good parts of Dutch History, Culture and Identity, you must also own up to the worst of it.
cuz we have farm lands, we make money, and we have drugs/whores and cut-throatery
nations destroy their own inhabitants' cultures tbh
I have to do no such thing
I am not responsible for the actions of what people did 200 years ago
if they do they're part of dutch culture, sure
If they also have dutch nationality i'll consider them dutch
I think we probably agree on more than we disagree and I think this is probably a good place to end this discussion. :D
I'm of the mindset that if you assimilate and embrace the culture, and get a nationality of said country, you become part of it
We probably do yes 😦
What is Dutch culture then?
suffice to say, i'm wholeheartedly for preserving our western culture
Is being born in the Netherlands
Atleast you can carry the discussion without getting triggered or giving up and memeing or ad homs @Dr.Wol
Dutch culture is being blunt, wanting to make profit, and live a life as best you can,
beign pro-weed, okay with having prostitutes
And building many cloggs and windmills 😉
Fucking Degenerates
Amsterdam <:FeelsGoodMan:411245877701902336>
Never been, want to go
Prostitution is legal in dutchland?
I always wondered why hooker laws are wierd sometimes.
Like illegal to buy but not illegal to sell
it's legal in Deutcheland
Well, its because I'm convinced that we're of the same mindset in the big picture
But on the details we just slightly graze next to each other
they don't want to put women in jail that's why @GingaBomber
But pimps?