Message from @Dr.Wol
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If you don't choose your identity and direct historical narratives yourself, it will be done for you.
well i rejected mine, and here i stand
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My historical narratives are beign part of the Slav race, where the word for Slavery came from in the first place,
And one of the dutch who shipped slaves to America for profit
So if i'd follow my historical people i'd be a slave, or a slaver
I choose neither, and will carve my own path in life
Yes that is your identity now, you must own it <:LULW:330291809538277377>
But identity isn't important? Why think that?
I don't
you say it is
```My historical narratives are beign part of the Slav race, where the word for Slavery came from in the first place,
And one of the dutch who shipped slaves to America for profit
So if i'd follow my historical people i'd be a slave, or a slaver```
this i mean
why would this be important?
i'm saying theres absolutely NO importance to it
it hasn't shaped me as a person
what your ancestors did, what they believed, how they lived, you think has no effect on you?
mate every word we say, every thought we think in abstract can be traced back to our ancestors. we stand on their shoulders.
What my ancestors did and believed is of no importance to me, as i don't even know
Its what the societies in Europe did thats of importance as that laid the groundwork for modern europe
it's important to make peace with the past and have a coherent narrative just like it's important to make peace with your own Father.
It is not, whats important is having a sense of freedom, and principles on what is right and what is wrong
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```What my ancestors did and believed is of no importance to me, as i don't even know
Its what the societies in Europe did thats of importance as that laid the groundwork for modern europe```
Your ancestors built those societies. A society is the sum total of the people that are part of it, am i wrong?
by that logic, immigrants become part of the nativies, because they become part of society
I reject the past as a plan, because history is a set of lies agreed upon
I only see the past as a way we can prevent mistakes that we have recorded
you are moving away from the Nation State model so your societies are no longer built just by say Dutch people.
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I'm for maintaining the Nation state model, cuz i dont want to end up like America,
Where you shoved taht aside and instead replaced "Nations" with "Race"
@Dr.Wol do you think if I come to Netherlands as a Tamil person, I'd be able to identify with your Great Heroes of the Past?
say if I'm a German Tamil, will I really be able to feel that German Guilt of World War 2?
What is a Dutch person?
^ this is what your future is
No, but i don't either, i dont identify with any hero of the dutch past
No, tell me how you define dutch
Do you think i should feel shame for my ancestors having enslaved countrless of negroes in Africa and selling them like a commodity?
I am not guilty for the sins of my fathers either
i define the dutch as a sleazy, farmer society that has capitalism values
@Dr.Wol If you think that's how it was and that it was a bad thing then Yes, you should. If you inherit all the good parts of Dutch History, Culture and Identity, you must also own up to the worst of it.
cuz we have farm lands, we make money, and we have drugs/whores and cut-throatery
nations destroy their own inhabitants' cultures tbh
I have to do no such thing
So if a person confirms to all those adjectives they are Dutch?
I am not responsible for the actions of what people did 200 years ago
if they do they're part of dutch culture, sure
If they also have dutch nationality i'll consider them dutch