I only see the past as a way we can prevent mistakes that we have recorded

you are moving away from the Nation State model so your societies are no longer built just by say Dutch people.

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I'm for maintaining the Nation state model, cuz i dont want to end up like America,

Where you shoved taht aside and instead replaced "Nations" with "Race"

@Dr.Wol do you think if I come to Netherlands as a Tamil person, I'd be able to identify with your Great Heroes of the Past?
say if I'm a German Tamil, will I really be able to feel that German Guilt of World War 2?

What is a Dutch person?

^ this is what your future is

No, but i don't either, i dont identify with any hero of the dutch past

No, tell me how you define dutch

Do you think i should feel shame for my ancestors having enslaved countrless of negroes in Africa and selling them like a commodity?

I am not guilty for the sins of my fathers either

i define the dutch as a sleazy, farmer society that has capitalism values

@Dr.Wol If you think that's how it was and that it was a bad thing then Yes, you should. If you inherit all the good parts of Dutch History, Culture and Identity, you must also own up to the worst of it.

cuz we have farm lands, we make money, and we have drugs/whores and cut-throatery

nations destroy their own inhabitants' cultures tbh

I have to do no such thing

So if a person confirms to all those adjectives they are Dutch?

I am not responsible for the actions of what people did 200 years ago

if they do they're part of dutch culture, sure

If they also have dutch nationality i'll consider them dutch

I think we probably agree on more than we disagree and I think this is probably a good place to end this discussion. :D

I'm of the mindset that if you assimilate and embrace the culture, and get a nationality of said country, you become part of it

We probably do yes 😦

What is Dutch culture then?

suffice to say, i'm wholeheartedly for preserving our western culture

Is being born in the Netherlands

Atleast you can carry the discussion without getting triggered or giving up and memeing or ad homs @Dr.Wol

Dutch culture is being blunt, wanting to make profit, and live a life as best you can,
beign pro-weed, okay with having prostitutes

And building many cloggs and windmills 😉

Fucking Degenerates

Amsterdam <:FeelsGoodMan:411245877701902336>

Never been, want to go

Prostitution is legal in dutchland?

I always wondered why hooker laws are wierd sometimes.

Like illegal to buy but not illegal to sell

it's legal in Deutcheland

Well, its because I'm convinced that we're of the same mindset in the big picture

But on the details we just slightly graze next to each other

they don't want to put women in jail that's why @GingaBomber

But pimps?

In holland its fully legal to have hookers

Are they selling?

We have a whole red-light district in Amsterdam

with windows full of naked, toked up wamen