Oh it was Dr.Wol that started this?

probably

i would also disagree and i would say that you could call a sport art

Prff.

Speech has a utility,

"Hate speech" has no utility if its all hate speech

Well that figures.

poetry is art, no?

Hello Scribble, glad to see you're as positive as ever 😃

not visual

creates vision

baseball as a game, to me is certainly art

so what's the difference between football and something like csgo or overwatch that makes them art instead?

Categories exist only as a result of exclusion. It is not pretentious to exclude

uniforms are art

if video games are art afterall

the stadiums are art

the stands are art

but yeah maybe you just lack imagination and choose to see the world in a boring and generic way, that is fine if you want to do that

I'll top it

"Art is art" Prove me wrong

art is art

speech is speech

woke

life is life

deep is deep

redpilled

tim is art

and this is why things like art need to have a limit, else anything can be art, and thus "art" has no meaning as a term

why should anything be limited?

This is why people need to speak more specifically.

what's with arbitrary limits?

how does someone calling something art that you don't think is art bothering you? that is extremely authoritarian of you

i think artistic things are art, but not sure if thats circular

If you call yourself an artist, you could mean you do just about anything.

If you don't create limits, you get 842+ genders 😄

i'm not saying it bothers me, i don't care if people disagree with me on what is art 😄

Tim's new vid is fantastic. feels like he went on a little rant and i love it

are any of you with this view actually artists yourselves?

Oh Tim going mad again?

well, i mean the cortez one

depends on waht you label an artist

by your definition

i have a degree in mspaint

Well, I created one of those Bob Ross paintings once,

So if anything i'm a plagiarist? 😛

ok so you are not an artist

No i wouldn't consider myself an artist no

so i think you dont have a place to say

I make art, but i don't consider my work good enough to call myself an Artist

that sounds like self deprecation

self criticism

smells like appeal to authority fallacy to me

I work in an art-related field but I don't consider myself an artist. Clients tell me to make specific things and I get paid to do it, so more of a craftsman than anything.

there are no official qualifications to become an 'artist' that is the beauty of art

I'm not the one coming up with the ideas, just executing it

i just think its weird you are holding artists on some pedestal

cooking is an art

but I don't really have an issue with people calling anything art, my problem is mainly with those who will call one thing art and not another even though it's basically the same thing

I consider someone an artist, if the layman can't remake it

art isn't some magical unattainable thing only meant for a few

art itself is for the masses to enjoy,

"being an artist" is for the few

yes thats what i meant 'being an artist'

doesn't have to be some rare city of gold only for the few

imo

being a *good* artist is another story

art does not equal quality

and has nothing to do with the definition

well thats our difference then,

I consider "good artists" to just be artists, and people who arent "good artists", not to be artists

Its a difference in how we define "artist"

thats fair if thats how you feel

but there are a lot of legit artists who make art that i don't like, doesn't mean they aren't artists

again, you are taking the authoritarian view

i'm authoritarian because i define my terms differently?

because you are giving yourself the authority to take away legitimacy of others creations based on your own opinion

You're an authoritarian if you say I don't have a PHD in something I've never studied

but hey, if thats how you think, thats how you think

being a label isn't a status of legitimacy

if you dont like someone's creation and say they aren't an artist, you are taking away legitimacy. i dont understand what you are missing

So if i call you a pedophile, does that have any legitimacy too simply because i said it?

what

lol

ok

this convo has derailed

Its the same principle

If i have an opinion on someones qualifications of a label, theres no claim to any legitimacy

it reminds me of the not using pronouns debate

the mental gymnastics are too stronk for me

If I can use words however I want, and you can't take that away from me without being authoritarian

Its like calling Trump a racist, or fascist, or any of those fake news terms

They're not legitimate either, and just because they said it, doesn't somehow make it more so

i will gracefully bow out, thank you

mental gymnastics, listen to this one

Then anyone can call you whatever, using their own definition

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7ez-gIt08I

And you can't stop them unless you're authoritsrian

After watching this video, there's just one important thing to know.

Modern art is used by plutocrats to STOW MONEY for tax purposes.

the nature of art is just that though, ANYTHING can be art

No

this is where we disagree

"I bought for this much, therefore it's worth this much, and it can be used as that amount of money between other rich people."

Thats a redefinition

Like racism being prejudice + power

lol